2m vs 1NT scoring What gains most?
#1
Posted 2004-August-02, 09:08
#2
Posted 2004-August-02, 09:19
A large pile of sample hands did convince him that 3m with 4-4 is superior to 2NT, however. If you're not willing to take a shot at 3NT, 2NT does not have good odds.
Ack, I see now I voted for 2m by mistake. Sorry.
#3
Posted 2004-August-02, 10:33
#4
Posted 2004-August-02, 10:34
#5
Posted 2004-August-02, 10:54
The weaker you are, the more you want to be in 2m. Conversely, the stronger you are the more you want to be in 1NT.
The reason being, if you have say 23 points between the two hands you have a good chance of making 2NT against 3m (120 v 110). Whereas with only 19 or 20 points you have a good chance of being -1 in 2m but -2 in 1NT (-50 v -100) although here, the opps are probably missing a part-score.
At IMP:
The same thing applies, but for a slightly different reason. For weak hands, 2m is more likely to make than 1NT, and is rarely a lot down (as 1NT might be), so you definitely want to be in it. For strong hands, 1NT is also more likely to make than 2m because of possible cross-ruffs, or bad trump breaks etc.
Unfortunately, this isn't one of your options, so I shan't vote!
Eric
#6
Posted 2004-August-02, 17:33
#7
Posted 2004-August-02, 17:36
#8
Posted 2004-August-02, 17:43
#9
Posted 2004-August-02, 23:44
However in practice I always want to be in 1NT, BECAUSE the opponents will not let me buy it in 2m in an 8 card fit.
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#10
Posted 2004-August-03, 11:45
Mike
#11
Posted 2004-August-03, 12:09
Another point: if 1NT goes down 24 times in 100, I presume it also makes +120 a lot of times too. Most of these will be winners.
On the other hand, 1NT will go down 200 more often (probably not too often with extra points though.)
#12
Posted 2004-August-03, 12:19
I still hope Cascade manages to run a big simulation -> HINT HINT
#13
Posted 2004-August-03, 18:20
Mike
#14
Posted 2004-August-03, 23:35
Mind you, I don't see any easy way of factoring that into a simulation.
Psyche (pron. sahy-kee): The human soul, spirit or mind (derived, personification thereof, beloved of Eros, Greek myth).
Masterminding (pron. mstr-mnding) tr. v. - Any bid made by bridge player with which partner disagrees.
"Gentlemen, when the barrage lifts." 9th battalion, King's own Yorkshire light infantry,
2000 years earlier: "morituri te salutant"
"I will be with you, whatever". Blair to Bush, precursor to invasion of Iraq
#15
Posted 2004-August-04, 19:10
2m is rarely good at MP, 1NT is often good!
At MP, 2m is almost forcing,
At IMPs... who cares?
#16
Posted 2004-August-05, 08:09
Cave_Draco, on Aug 4 2004, 08:10 PM, said:
When the opponents let me play 2D on my 8 card fit in matchpoints, it's usually worth a lot of matchpoints