[gwnn]

Scoring: IMP

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Your auction? One restriction: don't pass from South.

[quiddity]

ugh - maybe 2♥ 4♦ X 5♣ pass..?

[jjbrr]

2H 2S p 3C p 3S p 3NT AP

W is way too light for 4D in my style

[gnasher]

jjbrr, on Jul 2 2010, 06:25 PM, said:

2H 2S p 3C p 3S p 3NT AP

As West, would you be entirely happy that your hand was what partner was expecting?

[gnasher]

2♥ 4♦ dbl 5♣
dbl pass pass pass

That seems to be one off on an endplay.

[jjbrr]

gnasher, on Jul 2 2010, 12:34 PM, said:

jjbrr, on Jul 2 2010, 06:25 PM, said:

2H 2S p 3C p 3S p 3NT AP

As West, would you be entirely happy that your hand was what partner was expecting?

I expect my partner to expect that I have spades and diamonds and enough values to overcall. Given that, I really can't complain. I expect 3NT to be a pretty decent game, probably the best game, and if 5m is better, we probably still have play for 3NT anyway.

So... yes.

[gwnn]

do you play inverted pointed suits on the first or the second rounds jjbrr?

[peachy]

(2H) 2S

West hand is a little too weak for a 4D call (if that is Leaping Michaels promsssing diamonds and the other major 5-5 or better).
Worse yet, if the opening is 2D Multi, and it is unknown which major suit opener has, then 4D is completely wrong.

[jjbrr]

gwnn, on Jul 2 2010, 12:49 PM, said:

do you play inverted pointed suits on the first or the second rounds jjbrr?

Oh sorry. 3S was a typo. The D is right next to the S.

Should be 2S then 3D

lol

[gwnn]

kind of weird that three out of four suits are so close on the keyboard. never realised it before.

[Siegmund]

Put me down for something real simple:

2H 2S P 3NT.

At least it's a makeable contract, and it avoids misunderstandings. (I am constrained a bit by system... new suit by advancer, 1S 2H P 3C, for instance, is agreed to be a fit-non-jump with my regular p, so 2H 2S P 3C has potential to be misunderstood in two different ways, either as not showing such a good hand or as implying some spade tolerace.)

[jdonn]

I overcall 4♦ as west for sure and don't even find it close. What can you say, on a bad day partner is 1-1 in your suits.

[gwnn]

Iceland won 12 imps vs England here after

2♠-4♦-p-6NT
p-p-x

and

2♦*-2♠-stuff-3NT

[jdonn]

gwnn, on Jul 2 2010, 03:24 PM, said:

6NT

lol

[Cyberyeti]

jdonn, on Jul 2 2010, 04:04 PM, said:

gwnn, on Jul 2 2010, 03:24 PM, said:

6NT

lol

Not lol at all, he expected a much better hand for 4D as I would. Add the K to at least one of partner's suits as a minimum.

[jdonn]

Cyberyeti, on Jul 2 2010, 04:13 PM, said:

jdonn, on Jul 2 2010, 04:04 PM, said:

gwnn, on Jul 2 2010, 03:24 PM, said:

6NT

lol

Not lol at all, he expected a much better hand for 4D as I would. Add the K to at least one of partner's suits as a minimum.

So you need AKxxx x AKQxxx x, as a "minimum" huh? So partner bids slam with xx xxx xxxx Axxx I assume? No reason to even invite since it makes opposite a minimum!

Well ok I exagerate slightly (and I messed up the hand). But I find these requirements ridiculous. It's 6-5 you know...

[Cyberyeti]

AKQxx, AQxxxx would be pretty minimum, particularly if you play (as we do) that 4D is forcing.

[MFA]

Another one of the crazy misfits from Oostend.

jdonn, on Jul 2 2010, 09:55 PM, said:

I overcall 4♦ as west for sure and don't even find it close. What can you say, on a bad day partner is 1-1 in your suits.

I fully agree, not close at all.

At our table it went
2♥-4♦-P-4♠
P-P-X-5♣
X- all pass.

I don't know if partner should have doubled 4♦ also. It seems sensible enough to me to wait and hear what advancer is going to do.

Teammates bid:
2♥-4♦-X-5♣
X- all pass