[mike777]

billw55, on Jun 21 2010, 02:24 PM, said:

Scoring: MP

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Righty opens 1♠. Your choice?

i have no idea

pass or
x or
2h

so far no one says

[whereagles]

pooltuna, on Jun 22 2010, 01:16 AM, said:

you haven't had a tough overcall until you have to bid over 1♣ with ♠87653 ♥AK86 ♦K7 ♣KJ and I DON'T WANT TO HEAR ANY BUFFALO CHIPS ABOUT PASSING.

doh! that's an auto-double

[gwnn]

pooltuna, on Jun 22 2010, 01:16 AM, said:

gwnn, on Jun 21 2010, 06:27 PM, said:

I've been reading too much Ulf Nilsson... But I love his style, except that I can't quite bring myself to almost ignore suit quality.

you haven't had a tough overcall until you have to bid over 1♣ with ♠87653 ♥AK86 ♦K7 ♣KJ and I DON'T WANT TO HEAR ANY BUFFALO CHIPS ABOUT PASSING.

wtp, thats a simple 1S bid. I really don't look at suit quality at the 1 level

[hanp]

gwnn, on Jun 22 2010, 05:12 AM, said:

pooltuna, on Jun 22 2010, 01:16 AM, said:

gwnn, on Jun 21 2010, 06:27 PM, said:

I've been reading too much Ulf Nilsson... But I love his style, except that I can't quite bring myself to almost ignore suit quality.

you haven't had a tough overcall until you have to bid over 1♣ with ♠87653 ♥AK86 ♦K7 ♣KJ and I DON'T WANT TO HEAR ANY BUFFALO CHIPS ABOUT PASSING.

wtp, thats a simple 1S bid. I really don't look at suit quality at the 1 level

I also fail to see the point of pooltuna's post.

[billw55]

the actual hand

Not sure if this tells me anything or not. Basically there were about 12-13 hcp for partner and lefty to share. Considering the suit quality, I thought it was about a 50-50 shot as to whether 2♥ would work or not, but maybe that wasn't right. Maybe a good hand for a sim?

In the play, opener managed to give up an extra spade trick but 4♥ was cold in any case.

[655321]

billw55, on Jun 22 2010, 07:45 AM, said:

the actual hand

Not sure if this tells me anything or not.

Don't these links stop working after a while?

Anyway, what the actual hand tells me is that if your LHO had bid 1NT you would have been shut out of the auction after passing:-

1♠    P    1NT    P
2♦    P    lots of ♦

[billw55]

655321, on Jun 22 2010, 07:54 AM, said:

Don't these links stop working after a while?

Anyway, what the actual hand tells me is that if your LHO had bid 1NT you would have been shut out of the auction after passing:-

1♠    P    1NT    P
2♦    P    lots of ♦

OK, the full hand:

Scoring: MP

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1♠ - p - p - 2♥
p - 4♥ - ppp

I'm not sure east will bid 1NT after a pass by north, but he might try an adventurous double over 2♥.

At the table I thought pass or 2♥ were close, and even 1NT possible. I chose pass based on whereagles logic:

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Pard will bid if it's our hand, due to his expected spade shortness

But it didn't turn out that way.

Anyway, I posted this because I am interested to discuss close/unclear decisions in ordinary situations. I see a lot of contorted auctions and freak hands posted around here, but the routine stuff is plenty to keep my brain busy.

[gwnn]

yea yea that's so 655321, having responder respond at the worst possible moment:P

I am OK with bidding 2H over that nasty 1NT from S to be honest but I'd possibly pass there too. Now I'm quite biased of course.

mindless overbidders 1:0 normal, sensible people

[jjbrr]

I've been in worse slams

[NickRW]

Seems clear cut overcall to me at MP - seen these apparently kamikaze overcalls work out well for opps too many times. Sure you can take them for a number - sometimes - but frequency of gain - not the size - is what matters at MP.

IMPs is a different kettle of fish.

Nick

[helene_t]

Pass, 2nd choice 1NT.

As South I would certainly have passed.

[gwnn]

These bad overcalls work better at IMPs because at imps you don't really care about -200. -200 is very likely after a red overcall (indeed, even with a good suit), because they are relatively unlikely to double you, even if you overcall on 65432, R/W, there are millions of other things that will happen before they successfully penalise you, and -200 is horrible at MP.

[whereagles]

billw55, on Jun 22 2010, 01:23 PM, said:

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Pard will bid if it's our hand, due to his expected spade shortness

But it didn't turn out that way.

sometimes it's LHO who has the shortness and it's passed out lol

anyway, you should congratulate pard on balancing this. I would have been worse if you had missed game.

[hanp]

billw55, on Jun 22 2010, 07:45 AM, said:

the actual hand

Not sure if this tells me anything or not. Basically there were about 12-13 hcp for partner and lefty to share. Considering the suit quality, I thought it was about a 50-50 shot as to whether 2♥ would work or not, but maybe that wasn't right. Maybe a good hand for a sim?

In the play, opener managed to give up an extra spade trick but 4♥ was cold in any case.

Apart from the opening lead they didn't give up a trick, as long as declarer sets up the clubs before setting up the opponent's spades.

[jdonn]

I kind of want to double just to give mikeh a hernia.