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Posted 2010-June-21, 00:36


Dealer: West
Vul: All
Scoring: IMP
♠ AJ8
♥ AQ864
♦ 9
♣ AKT3


West North East South

 Pass  Pass  Pass  1♥
 Pass  1♠    Pass  ?  
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Posted 2010-June-21, 00:53

3♣
♣ Veni, vidi, proficisci ♣
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Posted 2010-June-21, 00:57

Little Kid, on Jun 21 2010, 01:53 AM, said:

3♣

Agree.

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Posted 2010-June-21, 02:47

3C.
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Posted 2010-June-21, 04:07

Little Kid, on Jun 21 2010, 01:53 AM, said:

3♣

agree
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Posted 2010-June-21, 04:41

3♣ and is not going to be easy to bid after that but there is no choice.
Jumping on 4 (or even 3) card suits is big hole in standard.
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Posted 2010-June-21, 06:24

jillybean, on Jun 20 2010, 11:36 PM, said:


Dealer: West
Vul: All
Scoring: IMP
♠ AJ8
♥ AQ864
♦ 9
♣ AKT3
 


West  North East  South

 Pass  Pass  Pass  1♥
 Pass  1♠    Pass  3♣
Pass 3♥ Pass  ?  

Now partner makes a preference for ♥'s
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Posted 2010-June-21, 06:29

so we bid 3♠. Usually 3-5-1-4 with game forcing values ;) Life is happy. This auction is going splendidly.
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Posted 2010-June-21, 06:30

3♠. Still no problems.
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Posted 2010-June-21, 06:40

bluecalm, on Jun 21 2010, 05:41 AM, said:

3♣ and is not going to be easy to bid after that but there is no choice.
Jumping on 4 (or even 3) card suits is big hole in standard.

You say things like that alot but I still haven't heard what your preferred alternative system is.
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Posted 2010-June-21, 06:58

gwnn, on Jun 21 2010, 05:29 AM, said:

so we bid 3♠. Usually 3-5-1-4 with game forcing values ;) Life is happy. This auction is going splendidly.

Is this agreement common, expert treatment? I would take 3♠ as a cue bid in ♥'s.
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Posted 2010-June-21, 07:00

Yes, universal. Hearts aren't agreed yet, 3H is a waiting bid. There was a nice article in the Deal of the Week from the Olympiad in SLC by Fred, I think the first one, unfortunately I can't find it exactly now since I don't have BBO on this computer. Fred was saying that this preference is even possibly done with a singleton heart, it says almost nothing about hearts.

This is perfectly analogous to

1H-1S
2C-2H
2S,

except opener has about a Queen more in the case of the 3C auction.

Well that's misleading from me, the auction beginning with 2C would show maybe 14-17 and the one beginning with 3C would show 18-21. So the difference is on average a king-ish but there is no gap between the two ranges. Also usually with 14 you wouldn't bid like this.
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Posted 2010-June-21, 07:04

Fantastic, please post a link when you can ;)
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Posted 2010-June-21, 07:04

I found the site where they have DOTW's online but I don't even have Java on here?!?!
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Posted 2010-June-21, 07:21

I have found this http://bbi.bridgebas....html#dotwindex

but which one is it? ;)
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Posted 2010-June-21, 07:53

if you have the old Windows client you just look at Bridge Library and you can see the titles and there should be the Olympiad series, maybe 4 or 5 chapters. They are all a good read, you should definitely go through them, I have done it 3 or 4 times already and it's still exciting and a good read ;)
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Posted 2010-June-21, 08:00

jillybean, on Jun 21 2010, 07:24 AM, said:

jillybean, on Jun 20 2010, 11:36 PM, said:


<!-- ONEHAND begin --><table border='1'> <tr> <td> <table> <tr> <td> Dealer: </td> <td> West </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Vul: </td> <td> All </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Scoring: </td> <td> IMP </td> </tr> </table> </td> <td> <table> <tr> <th> <span class='spades'> ♠ </th> <td> AJ8 </td> </tr> <tr> <th> <span class='hearts'> ♥ </span> </th> <td> AQ864 </td> </tr> <tr> <th> <span class='diamonds'> ♦ </span> </th> <td> 9 </td> </tr> <tr> <th> <span class='clubs'> ♣ </span> </th> <td> AKT3 </td> </tr> </table> </td> <td>  </td> </tr> </table><!-- ONEHAND end -->

West  North East  South

 Pass  Pass  Pass  1♥
 Pass  1♠    Pass  3♣
Pass 3♥ Pass  ?  </span>

Now partner makes a preference for ♥'s

now 3♠
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Posted 2010-June-21, 08:19

gwnn, on Jun 21 2010, 06:53 AM, said:

if you have the old Windows client you just look at Bridge Library and you can see the titles and there should be the Olympiad series, maybe 4 or 5 chapters. They are all a good read, you should definitely go through them, I have done it 3 or 4 times already and it's still exciting and a good read ;)

Found it, thanks. I will read up after this morning's game. :)
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Posted 2010-June-21, 08:27

3H does not show 3 hearts, so we haven't found a fit, so 3S is natural, not a cue.

(4D would be a cue though)
and the result can be plotted on a graph.
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Posted 2010-June-21, 08:41

jillybean, on Jun 21 2010, 07:58 AM, said:

gwnn, on Jun 21 2010, 05:29 AM, said:

so we bid 3♠. Usually 3-5-1-4 with game forcing values ;) Life is happy. This auction is going splendidly.

Is this agreement common, expert treatment? I would take 3♠ as a cue bid in ♥'s.

3♠ is not a cue since 3♥ simply showed a preference between ♥ and ♣ and hasn't yet set trumps. With that in mind the 3♠ bid is also needed to pattern out and show 3 card support since PD might have 5♠ and we belong in ♠.

A good rule of thumb is no cue bids at the 3 level unless you are 100% certain that trumps have been agreed.

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