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#1 User is offline   gwnn 

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Posted 2010-June-15, 04:45

AJTxx
Kxx
x
Axxx

1♦-1♠
3♦-?

matchpoints
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Posted 2010-June-15, 04:48

3♥

View Postwyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:

Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the ♥3.


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Posted 2010-June-15, 05:49

^^ agree. If pard can now bid 3♠, we're in a fine position to go on. Of course, in practice he'll have

Kx
x
AKQJxxx
QJx

and we skillfully managed to wrong-side 3NT :P
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Posted 2010-June-15, 06:06

yeah 3♥
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Posted 2010-June-15, 07:43

gwnn, on Jun 15 2010, 05:45 AM, said:

AJTxx
Kxx
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Axxx

1♦-1♠
3♦-?

matchpoints

Basically I am system screwed so 3NT
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Posted 2010-June-15, 07:52

3NT. Other bids looks like masterminding a system just for this hand.

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3♥


So you give up any hopes of playing hearts if responder is 5-5 or 6-5 in majors ?
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Posted 2010-June-16, 12:15

bluecalm, on Jun 15 2010, 08:52 AM, said:

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3♥


So you give up any hopes of playing hearts if responder is 5-5 or 6-5 in majors ?

Why can't I bid 4♥ over 3NT/4♦?
Still decidedly intermediate - don't take my guesses as authoritative.

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Posted 2010-June-16, 12:32

3NT. This feels like wtp to me, especially at matchpoints. Partner's extras compensate for the misfit.
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Posted 2010-June-19, 10:52

Unless we play some clever system so that partner has denied 3-card spade support, I would just rebid spades. Partner is expected to bid 3NT over that most of the time without a fit.

Is there some reason partner can't have

Kxx
Axx
AKQxxx
x

?
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Posted 2010-June-19, 11:03

KQ
xxx
AKQJ9x
xx

where do you want to be and how do you get there?
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Posted 2010-June-19, 11:55

Do 3H bidders play 3S shows 6 spades?
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Posted 2010-June-19, 12:06

I'll be happy if we got to 3N by responder. I'm not good enough to get to a better contract.
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Posted 2010-June-20, 03:46

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Unless we play some clever system so that partner has denied 3-card spade support, I would just rebid spades. Partner is expected to bid 3NT over that most of the time without a fit.


Yeah, that makes sense. The question is what will partner do with say:

Qx Qx AKJxxx Axx

If he is going to bid 3NT you will miss better 6-2 spades games. If he bids 4♠ you will end up in inferior contract on hands like the one in the OP.
I like 3♠ nevertheless. 3NT seemed obvious to me but now I am not so sure. I am so used to playing "clever system" here that I don't take into account possiblity that partner can still have 3♠ for his 3♦ jump.
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Posted 2010-June-20, 05:42

gwnn, on Jun 19 2010, 06:03 PM, said:

KQ
xxx
AKQJ9x
xx

where do you want to be and how do you get there?

I think it should go

3♠-4♠
4NT-5♠
6NT

for a good board, or

3♠-4♠
4NT-5♠
6♠

for a board whose result will depend on the lead, or

3♠-4♠
pass

for a bad board.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2010-June-20, 05:43

bluecalm, on Jun 20 2010, 10:46 AM, said:

The question is what will partner do with say:

Qx Qx AKJxxx Axx

I would have rebid 2NT with that.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2010-June-20, 08:37

sorry gnasher, you get a good board for 3S-4S, nothing else :lol:

LHO has something like

98xxx
Axx
x
xxxx

:)

our auction was

3S-4S
5N-7S which LHO happily doubled. he messed up the defence for only -500 and 2% for us.

morale: don't bid 5NT when you haven't discussed it, especially if no meaning is really your hand anyway.
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