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#1 User is offline   lmilne 

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Posted 2010-May-31, 06:50

T x x x
T x
T x
A K J 8 x

All vul, LHO deals at IMPs, decent international opps:

(1♣)-1♦-(1♥)-pass;
(1♠)-3♦-(3♠)-?

What sort of hand do you think partner should have? What now?
Also, if you would have bid the first time, whats your reasoning there.
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Posted 2010-May-31, 07:00

minimal opening strength and 7 diamonds.

I pass.
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Posted 2010-May-31, 08:03

lmilne, on May 31 2010, 07:50 AM, said:

T x x x
T x
T x
A K J 8 x

All vul, LHO deals at IMPs, decent international opps:

(1♣)-1♦-(1♥)-pass;
(1♠)-3♦-(3♠)-?

What sort of hand do you think partner should have?  What now?
Also, if you would have bid the first time, whats your reasoning there.

Partner has

:) so naturally I bid 6♦ :)
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Posted 2010-May-31, 08:15

Related topic: http://forums.bridge...showtopic=33281
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Posted 2010-May-31, 08:54

4♣, a fit-non-jump if I ever saw one.
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Posted 2010-May-31, 16:47

Overcaller has great hand, just short of Dbl first and then bid diamonds. Probably shapely. I bid 5D now and I would also have passed over 1H.
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Posted 2010-May-31, 21:46

Partner jumped because he liked his hand given this auction.
I like my CAK with fit. 4C - I cannot be this high without D-support.
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Posted 2010-May-31, 23:03

4C of course. There is no way in the world that I will pass this.
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Posted 2010-May-31, 23:18

4♣ does seem automatic.
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Posted 2010-June-01, 00:02

I agree that 4C is a FNJ; I hope you're doing it because a club may be your best shot at beating 4S, not because you have an interest in 5D.

Given the auction so far, I expect partner to have a hand a tiny bit too good for a 3D preempt. His jump was definitely shape not strength IMO.
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Posted 2010-June-01, 00:04

Siegmund, on May 31 2010, 11:02 PM, said:

I agree that 4C is a FNJ; I hope you're doing it because a club may be your best shot at beating 4S, not because you have an interest in 5D.

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Posted 2010-June-01, 03:41

I would have doubled 1H.
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Posted 2010-June-01, 04:51

Anyone for 1N the first time?
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Posted 2010-June-01, 04:59

1NT?? No.
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Posted 2010-June-01, 05:18

hanp, on Jun 1 2010, 09:41 AM, said:

I would have doubled 1H.

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Posted 2010-June-01, 05:35

hanp, on Jun 1 2010, 04:41 AM, said:

I would have doubled 1H.

Really? I don't think our spades are nearly good enough.

Agree with 4♣, although I have no idea what it means. I've never made a fit bid in the opponents suit before.
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Posted 2010-June-01, 05:53

I'm not going to wait until I have a strong 4-card suit before I show my values. We have a pretty good hand with possibilities to play in spades, clubs and diamonds. With 5 spades I could bid 1S so I don't think I'm overstating my spades much.

Maybe you say that we will never play clubs but I disagree. I can easily see the auction going

1C - 1D - 1H - Dbl
2H - Dbl

for example, and then I have an easy 3C bid. Of course partner is unlikely to double 2H if we don't show values now.

I also hate to think of clubs as "their suit" after they have only opened 1C and bid and raised spades.
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Posted 2010-June-01, 07:28

expect pd to have something like

x
Axx
AKxxxxx
xx

or thereabouts, maybe even stronger than this. I'll bid 5♦ now because pard can easily one more useful card.

I'd try the 4♣ FNJ if I were 100% sure pard would take it as so.
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Posted 2010-June-01, 16:42

hanp, on Jun 1 2010, 06:53 AM, said:

I'm not going to wait until I have a strong 4-card suit before I show my values. We have a pretty good hand with possibilities to play in spades, clubs and diamonds. With 5 spades I could bid 1S so I don't think I'm overstating my spades much.

Maybe you say that we will never play clubs but I disagree. I can easily see the auction going

1C - 1D - 1H - Dbl
2H - Dbl

for example, and then I have an easy 3C bid. Of course partner is unlikely to double 2H if we don't show values now.

I also hate to think of clubs as "their suit" after they have only opened 1C and bid and raised spades.

I assumed you played x as snapdragon, which this hand does not fit. Instead it appears you play the double as values, which isn't my style.

I have plenty of chances to play in clubs if I pass over 1H and LHO raises hearts. I will reopen with a double and if pard has club tolerance without spades, I will hear 2N and if pard has clubs, he will bid 3C, which cannot be a cuebid.

If LHO rebids 1N, I think I can double or bid 2C without overstating my hand.

If your partner cooperates with a double after your double, that's fine, but your partner cannot actually bid clubs naturally after this amorphous double and has to make another x or bid 2N (which is what?).

I also never said 'we can't play clubs'. All I said was 'I've never made a fitbid in their suit'.
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