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#1 User is offline   twcho 

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Posted 2010-May-30, 21:51

Scoring: XIMP


Your RHO, the dealer, open 4♥. What bid will you make with this collection?
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Posted 2010-May-30, 21:56

Pass
That's impossible. No one can give more than one hundred percent. By definition that is the most anyone can give.
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Posted 2010-May-30, 23:41

Quoting Ira Rubin here; Not only do I need a mirror, but I need one behind the opponents as well. Double dummy, and with double dummy agreements with my partner, I would double

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It is a fact that most people here write as if their opinion is a dogmatic fact.

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My opinion is that this ought to win the award for best self-referential quote of the new year.
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Posted 2010-May-30, 23:44

I would double, I think I just have too much, and aside from the ♥JT, the rest of the hand is not so defensive.
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Posted 2010-May-31, 00:04

I would double. Partner may be able to pass and if he pulls to a long suit he needs just a few values to have enough for game.
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Posted 2010-May-31, 00:21

I would double since partner rates to make game if he bids anything, and we are very likely to beat 4♥X if he passes.
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Posted 2010-May-31, 00:24

double.

partner will leave this in with a weak hand and no long suit, and that suits us fine. If he pulls, he has playing strength, even if merely in the form of a 5 card spade suit and a few hcp, and we may do well then.

Passing is out....there is very little chance partner can balance.
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Posted 2010-May-31, 02:14

I'd pass, which is consistent with my understanding of the term "takeout double". Even if partner has some miracle like QJxxx x xxx Kxxx, we haven't made 4♠ yet.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2010-May-31, 02:45

Before deciding whether to double or pass, let's get an survey of what action partner will take with the following hands if you double:
1. Qxxx xx xxx Qxxx
2. Qxxx x xxx Qxxxx
3. Qxxxx x xxx Qxxx
4. Qxxxx x xxx Kxxx and so on....

I'm not sure what other will pick. I will bid 4S with all the above hands and as gnasher has shown a perfect example of very good hand by west, game is still far from certain. I am guessing that these types of hand happens more than half of the time (Can someone use some sort of dealing programme to assist the analysis?)

But instead if you pass, you are certain to collect a plus score. And if partner happens to be able to balance (what is your minimum requirement for balancing here?), you will be more than happy to pass with your good ♥ holding and flattish hand.

I am a believer in passing with this hand.
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Posted 2010-May-31, 03:14

I'd pass, I play takeout doubles here.
and the result can be plotted on a graph.
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Posted 2010-May-31, 04:56

I am surprised how mayn people play power doubles here. :(
I play take out doubles, so the choice is easy.
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Posted 2010-May-31, 05:13

I play t/o doubles and I x here. Pass and you are robbed blind.
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Posted 2010-May-31, 11:06

The_Hog, on May 31 2010, 06:13 AM, said:

I play t/o doubles and I x here. Pass and you are robbed blind.

Amen! I can't believe how many think they need to pass.
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Posted 2010-May-31, 11:14

I X here..in agreement with The Hog and the fish and some others..I think I have too much to pass and don't want to be robbed blind.
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Posted 2010-May-31, 16:33

gnasher, on May 31 2010, 03:14 AM, said:

I'd pass, which is consistent with my understanding of the term "takeout double". Even if partner has some miracle like QJxxx x xxx Kxxx, we haven't made 4♠ yet.

We may differ a little on the definition of "takeout double", but we differ a lot on the definition of "miracle".
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Posted 2010-May-31, 16:35

pass. Pard uses to pull my take out dbls and I'm not sure I want that lol
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