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#1 User is offline   Fluffy 

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Posted 2010-May-24, 11:35

♠A9xx
♥Axxx
♦AJ
♣Jxx

♠KQ10x
♥QJ8
♦x
♣K10xxx


south dealer, NS vulnerable, EDIT: it is IMPs

pass- (2♥)-pass-(pass)
3♣-(pass)-3NT- all pass

diamond lead (no hearts :unsure:)...
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Posted 2010-May-24, 12:08

3NT is a lot opposite a passed hand
OK
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Posted 2010-May-24, 12:21

I think south should just pass it out. If I didn't pass it out I would bid 2S not 3C, but with QJ8 of hearts I am always just passing.

After 3C 3N I think 3N is normal, AQTxxx and out is a good game.
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Posted 2010-May-24, 12:42

Not opening the South hand, is asking for truoble so bad, I can't spell it.
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Posted 2010-May-24, 12:52

Opening the South hand is certainly reasonable. Not opening it is also reasonable.

An ugly crossruff might make South wish he had passed throughout and not found the spade fit.
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Posted 2010-May-24, 13:57

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Not opening the South hand, is asking for truoble so bad, I can't spell it.


I agree. I also think N has easy t/o double over 2♥.
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Posted 2010-May-24, 15:14

I would open the south hand and later pass it out.
and the result can be plotted on a graph.
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Posted 2010-May-24, 18:51

bluecalm, on May 24 2010, 02:57 PM, said:

I also think N has easy t/o double over 2♥.

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Posted 2010-May-24, 19:05

I wouldn't open the S hand except if I was playing canape or something. I would not have acted from N or S after 2♥.
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Posted 2010-May-24, 19:13

I would open, having passed I would pass out 2♥.
That's impossible. No one can give more than one hundred percent. By definition that is the most anyone can give.
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Posted 2010-May-24, 19:50

Jlall, on May 24 2010, 07:51 PM, said:

bluecalm, on May 24 2010, 02:57 PM, said:

I also think N has easy t/o double over 2♥.

lol

Obv because he plans to pass lebensohl :)
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Posted 2010-May-24, 21:26

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lol

Obv because he plans to pass lebensohl


Why would I want to pass lebensohl ?
i have 14count and my ♥Axxx makes it probable we don't have anything wasted in ♥.

I prefer doubling now than being in really shitty spot after say:

2♥ - pass - 3♥ - pass
pass - ????

Where I can easily have 11trick ♠ game or go down for 800 in 3♠.
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Posted 2010-May-24, 21:45

I join the chorus that would have opened as South (although I think it is close), and would have passed it out as South if I did chose not to open.

Agree with North's bidding.
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Posted 2010-May-24, 21:58

Fluffy, on May 24 2010, 12:35 PM, said:

♠A9xx
♥Axxx
♦AJ
♣Jxx

♠KQ10x
♥QJ8
♦x
♣K10xxx


south dealer, NS vulnerable, EDIT: it is IMPs

pass- (2♥)-pass-(pass)
3♣-(pass)-3NT- all pass

diamond lead (no hearts :))...

yeah the light openers have it easy here. I expect the auction would go 1♣ (2♥) X (P); 3♠ (P) 4♠ all pass. Count this as a case for opening light.
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Posted 2010-May-24, 23:40

bluecalm, on May 24 2010, 10:26 PM, said:

Why would I want to pass lebensohl ?

He's just making an inside joke with me which all started when he wanted to X then pass leb then when I was at his house 2 days ago and we were ragin robodupes he did it with gib and got a good board.

That said it wouldn't shock me if he actually would consider doing it with this hand too had he doubled which I'm sure he wouldn't.
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Posted 2010-May-25, 06:38

Either open S hand or balance with double.

balancing 3♣ puts the eggs all in one basket, with the obvious consequences.
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