[hirowla]

I think you'll see a theme to these, but I want to fill in the gaps in these situations and would appreciate some suggestions. The system I play is Standard so something that could be understood within that (I'm not going to change to 2/1 or a forcing NT).

Partner opens 1♥ - P -, I have 3 card trump support and 10-12 support points
Partner opens 1♥ - P - , I have 4 card trump support and 10-12 support points

Partner opens: 1♥ - X - <my bid> I have 3 card trump support and 10-12 support points
Partner opens: 1♥ - X - <my bid> I have 4 card trump support and 10-12 support points

Partner opens: 1♥ - 2♣ - <my bid> I have 3 card trump support and 10-12 support points
Partner opens: 1♥ - 2♣ - <my bid> I have 4 card trump support and 10-12 support points

Partner opens: 1♥ - 3♣ - <my bid> I have 3 card trump support and 6-9 support points
Partner opens: 1♥ - 3♣ - <my bid> I have 4 card trump support and 6-9 support points
Partner opens: 1♥ - 3♣ - <my bid> I have 3 card trump support and 10-12 support points
Partner opens: 1♥ - 3♣ - <my bid> I have 4 card trump support and 10-12 support points
Partner opens: 1♥ - 3♣ - <my bid> I have 3 card trump support and 13-15 support points
Partner opens: 1♥ - 3♣ - <my bid> I have 4 card trump support and 13-15 support points
(these might not make any difference, but I'll ask anyway)
Partner opens: 1♥ - 3♦ - <my bid> I have 3 card trump support and 10-12 support points
Partner opens: 1♥ - 3♦ - <my bid> I have 4 card trump support and 10-12 support points

Opponents open: 1♥ - 1♠ - P - <my bid> I have 3 card trump support and 10-12 support points
Opponents open: 1♥ - 1♠ - P - <my bid> I have 4 card trump support and 10-12 support points
Opponents open: 1♥ - 1♠ - 2♥ - <my bid> I have 3 card trump support and 10-12 support points
Opponents open: 1♥ - 1♠ - 2♥ - <my bid> I have 4 card trump support and 10-12 support points
Opponents open: 1♥ - 1♠ - 3♥ - <my bid> I have 3 card trump support and 6-9 support points
Opponents open: 1♥ - 1♠ - 3♥ - <my bid> I have 4 card trump support and 6-9 support points
Opponents open: 1♥ - 1♠ - 3♥ - <my bid> I have 3 card trump support and 10-12 support points
Opponents open: 1♥ - 1♠ - 3♥ - <my bid> I have 4 card trump support and 10-12 support points
Opponents open: 1♥ - 1♠ - 3♥ - <my bid> I have 3 card trump support and 13-15 support points
Opponents open: 1♥ - 1♠ - 3♥ - <my bid> I have 4 card trump support and 13-15 support points


I think some of these things are similar but they may contain subtle differences - I guess that's the main thing I'm asking.

Any ideas?

Thanks,

Ian

[dicklont]

Generally:
- with a fit stretch if they make you, don't pass easily
- when you can, use different bids for 4 and 3 card support.

Partner opens: 1♥ - P -,
3 card, 10-12: 1S then 3H or 2m then 2/3H
4 card, 10-12: limit raise (Bergen?)

Partner opens: 1♥ - X -
3 card, 10-12: new suit or Rdbl, then 3H
4 card, 10-12: 2NT Jordan

Partner opens: 1♥ - 2♣
3 or 4 card, 10-12: 3C support, limit+
You must show support immediately, they might preempt in clubs
4 card, club splinter: 4C GF, splinter

Partner opens: 1♥ - 3♣/3♦
3/4 card, 6-9: 3H
3 card, 10-12: 3H
4 card, 10-12: 4C
3/4 card 13-15: 4C
You could make 1H (3C) 3D arftificial, but I prefer natural

Opponents open: 1♥ - 1♠ - p
3 card, 10-12: 2H
4 card, 10-12: 3H

Opponents open: 1♥ - 1♠ - 2♥
3/4 card, 10-12: 3H

Opponents open: 1♥ - 1♠ - 3♥
3/4 card, 6-9: 3S

Opponents open: 1♥ - 1♠ - 3♥
3 card, 10-12: 3S
4 card, 10-12: 4S

Opponents open: 1♥ - 1♠ - 3♥
3/4 card, 13-15: 4H

[Stephen Tu]

hirowla, on Feb 20 2010, 03:05 AM, said:

Partner opens 1♥ - P -, I have 3 card trump support and 10-12 support points
Partner opens 1♥ - P - , I have 4 card trump support and 10-12 support points

4 cd support you have an easy limit raise.
3 cd support there are two schools of thought, one is 2/1 then support cheaply, or 1s then 3h over 2m, 2h over 1nt (preference over 2m can be on 2, but over 1nt there is no reason to pull on 2, so 2h shows 3, and you wouldn't introduce spades with 6-9 strength and heart support).

The other school allows limit raises on 3 cd support, I am not a big fan of it. 1nt forcing players usually put 3 cd limit raises without spades into 1ntf.

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Partner opens: 1♥ - X -  <my bid>  I have 3 card trump support and 10-12 support points
Partner opens: 1♥ - X -  <my bid>  I have 4 card trump support and 10-12 support points

With 4, 2nt Jordan is std.

With 3, xx then support cheaply. I dispute what dicklont says, do NOT bid new suit, new suits at 2 level e.g. 1♥-x-2♣ are NON-forcing, natural in standard and should deny heart support. Also, you do not have to redouble then JUMP support; you would not support on doubleton, you would either double the opp's runout with a good trump holding or pass to see if partner can double, else he will balance since you are in a forcing auction if you pass their bid.

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Partner opens: 1♥ - 2♣ -  <my bid>  I have 3 card trump support and 10-12 support points
Partner opens: 1♥ - 2♣ -  <my bid>  I have 4 card trump support and 10-12 support points

The most common approach is to play 3♣ cue-bid as 3+ trumps, LR+, 10+ pts unlimited, partner assumes 10-12 initially.

Less common is to retain 3♥ as a limit raise, utilize 3c as a GF raise. This has both disadvantages (lose ability to make preempt raise in hearts), and advantages (partner's range is stronger, makes slam tries easier, and future competitive decision easier if 4th hand preempts).

Even less common is some players who conventionally utilize 2nt here as a 4cd raise to distinguish 4cd from 3 cd support.

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Partner opens: 1♥ - 3m -  <my bid>

Room here is compressed, so your basic ranges have to change to compensate, and you have to in theory overbid a little on limit raises since otherwise you can't really handle everything you need.

3♥, you basically drop the bottom end of your range (6-7), passing those (might not make 3, while you are beating them; support if partner reopens). The single raise shows about 8- bad 10, you can shade that requirement with more than 3 trumps.

With good 10-12 you have to bid 4♥ since 3♥ shows less. With 13+ cue-bid 4m.

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Opponents open: 1♥ - 1♠ - P - <my bid>  I have 3 card trump support and 10-12 support points
Opponents open: 1♥ - 1♠ - P - <my bid>  I have 4 card trump support and 10-12 support points

Most common among adv/expert players:
3♠ = preempt
3♥ = "mixed" (7-9 4 cd support)
2♥ = limit+ 3+ support (or other strong hands depending on other agreements, don't jump to 4M on only 5 since partner may be intending to probe for game in NT or a minor. He'll have the raise hand way more often than not though)

Alternative 1:
3M = mixed, 3♥ = 4 cd limit+

Alt 2:
2nt = 4cd limit+, 2♥ = 3 cd limit+

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Opponents open: 1♥ - 1♠ -  2♥ - <my bid>  I have 3 card trump support and 10-12 support points
Opponents open: 1♥ - 1♠ -  2♥ - <my bid>  I have 4 card trump support and 10-12 support points

Cue bid.

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Opponents open: 1♥ - 1♠ -  3♥ - <my bid>

Basically do the same principles as you would over partner's 1M opening and a 3 level overcall as described above. Perhaps be a little stronger for your actions holding only 3 cd support as partner will overcall on lesser hands then he would open. Always stretch with 4 cd, since total tricks here is large, and if you go down it may be a good sac against their contract anyway.

[awm]

Mostly agree with Stephen Tu. A few comments:

Over 1♥-Pass-<my bid>

The SAYC approach is that 3♥ shows three or four card support. I definitely recommend against making a 2/1 bid with three-card support and limit raise values, as this makes it extremely difficult to bid game forcing hands with three-card support. Of course, 2/1 players put the three-card raise in the forcing notrump. Elianna and I make the direct 2NT bid a limit raise or better (instead of Jacoby) and use the 3♥ bid as the "other" limit raise to get the same distinction.

Over 1♥-X-<my bid>

It is increasingly popular among good players to use transfers in this auction, starting from either redouble or 1NT depending on taste. Using one of these methods, 2♦ would be a good 3-card heart raise, normally including the three-card limit raise. 2NT is still Jordan 2NT, showing a four card raise.

Over 1♥-2♣-<my bid>

It seems that the SAYC approach is for 3♥ to remain a limit raise and 3♣ as GF. I agree with Stephen Tu that this is less common among strong partnerships and probably inferior to 3♣ as limit raise or better.

Over 1♥-1♠-2♥-<my bid>

Marshall Miles likes to use double here to show a 3-card limit raise (or better). However, this treatment is decidedly non-standard, with most using double as responsive (takeout for the minors) and putting all limit raises through 3♥.

[hirowla]

I have another small number of sequences (ones I forgot about originally) that some suggestions would be useful. I know some of them are obvious, but it's the subtle ones I'm not sure of.

Partner opens 1♥ - X - <my bid> I have 3 card trump support and 0-5 points
Partner opens 1♥ - X - <my bid> I have 4 card trump support and 0-5 points, no singleton/void
Partner opens 1♥ - X - <my bid> I have 4 card trump support and 0-5 points, a singleton/void
Partner opens 1♥ - X - <my bid> I have 5 card trump support and 0-5 points, no singleton/void
Partner opens 1♥ - X - <my bid> I have 5 card trump support and 0-5 points, a singleton/void
Partner opens 1♥ - X - <my bid> I have 3 card trump support and 6-9 points
Partner opens 1♥ - X - <my bid> I have 4 card trump support and 6-9 points, no singleton/void
Partner opens 1♥ - X - <my bid> I have 4 card trump support and 6-9 points, a singleton/void
Partner opens 1♥ - X - <my bid> I have 5 card trump support and 6-9 points, no singleton/void
Partner opens 1♥ - X - <my bid> I have 5 card trump support and 6-9 points, a singleton/void

Also, same as above except the opposition bid 2♦ rather than double. Not sure if there is a difference, but just in case!

Thanks,

Ian