[the hog]

aguahombre, on May 18 2010, 10:04 AM, said:

No doubt, that is what 2NT means, I just am not sure what good the inormation will do us. Eventually I only want to find out if partner has a heart control, so your option two seems the simplest to this simple person.

edit: also not sure I want the opps to know if we have an 11-card diamond fit. If there is a lightner double, I would rather opener choose his 4-card club suit to lead, than his doubleton diamond.

Standard is that 2NT ask for the minor and for the strength. Certainly standard bidding here is something like:

2NT
3C = Cs min
3D = Ds min
3H = C max
3S = D max

Playing Pass/correct bids over 2 suited bids is standard practice here except amongst beginners.

[MFA]

Not quite the time for a flyer like 7♠ or 5♥ exclusion.

1) We will often have a small slam, which is a lot to sacrifice for a grand slam swindle.

2) West will often have ♥AK and lead a top one just as a reflex. Our strength suggests that partner is minimum, so partner probably has many values in clubs, therefore west often has good hearts.

3) West will usually not have an attractive alternative to a top heart. OK, perhaps a trump if he has 2+ of those, but still.

4) If we are supposed to be void, west might be suspicious about his partner not raising. Say west has five hearts. Would he readily assume that his partner has about six without raising?

So 5♠ it is.

[Jlall]

5S. Even if I had 3D available, there is no auction where I'd expect partner to automatically cuebid hearts eg

3D-3S
4C-4S

I would still move

[Jlall]

The_Hog, on May 19 2010, 04:28 AM, said:

Playing Pass/correct bids over 2 suited bids is standard practice here except amongst beginners.

lol

[the hog]

Jlall, on May 20 2010, 01:59 AM, said:

The_Hog, on May 19 2010, 04:28 AM, said:

Playing Pass/correct bids over 2 suited bids is standard practice here except amongst beginners.

lol

Lol at a rude lol. I suggest you look at
http://chrisryall.ne...k.two/brown.htm

You might learn something.

[Jlall]

The_Hog, on May 19 2010, 06:50 PM, said:

Jlall, on May 20 2010, 01:59 AM, said:

The_Hog, on May 19 2010, 04:28 AM, said:

Playing Pass/correct bids over 2 suited bids is standard practice here except amongst beginners.

lol

Lol at a rude lol. I suggest you look at
http://chrisryall.ne...k.two/brown.htm

You might learn something.

lol

[jdonn]

The_Hog, on May 17 2010, 06:23 AM, said:

jdonn, on May 15 2010, 09:24 PM, said:

The_Hog, on May 14 2010, 08:56 PM, said:

jjbrr, on May 14 2010, 10:44 PM, said:

3♦ LR or better in ♠. I might exclusion 5♥ if things go well Oo

Huh, 3D is pass or correct in Cs. Ok on this hand partner will no doubt bid 4C, but....
I bid 5H

But you are never shy to suggest your preferred treatments. You could try a little harder to accept those of others. I also start 3♦ which I also play as an artificial spade raise.

Its not my peferred agreement. That is standard opposite a michaels.

Standard is it just shows diamonds.... although I had a tough choice in this post, do I laugh at you for making a definitive statement that you can't back up, or do I make one myself that is actually right?

[jjbrr]

+1 to lols

[the hog]

Jlall, on May 20 2010, 07:26 AM, said:

The_Hog, on May 19 2010, 06:50 PM, said:

Jlall, on May 20 2010, 01:59 AM, said:

The_Hog, on May 19 2010, 04:28 AM, said:

Playing Pass/correct bids over 2 suited bids is standard practice here except amongst beginners.

lol

Lol at a rude lol. I suggest you look at
http://chrisryall.ne...k.two/brown.htm

You might learn something.

lol

Or perhaps not, in your case.

[the hog]

jdonn, on May 20 2010, 09:06 AM, said:

The_Hog, on May 17 2010, 06:23 AM, said:

jdonn, on May 15 2010, 09:24 PM, said:

The_Hog, on May 14 2010, 08:56 PM, said:

jjbrr, on May 14 2010, 10:44 PM, said:

3♦ LR or better in ♠. I might exclusion 5♥ if things go well Oo

Huh, 3D is pass or correct in Cs. Ok on this hand partner will no doubt bid 4C, but....
I bid 5H

But you are never shy to suggest your preferred treatments. You could try a little harder to accept those of others. I also start 3♦ which I also play as an artificial spade raise.

Its not my peferred agreement. That is standard opposite a michaels.

Standard is it just shows diamonds.... although I had a tough choice in this post, do I laugh at you for making a definitive statement that you can't back up, or do I make one myself that is actually right?

As you are mildly less insulting, I will explain it to you.

Standard it doesn't just show Ds. That might be standard in places where you are not used to playing 2 suited bids. I suggest you have a look at some of the older convention cards of those who play 2 suited bids, eg the Poles. I say older, because in many use competitions these 2 suiters are banned.

[the hog]

jjbrr, on May 20 2010, 09:11 AM, said:

+1 to lols

No show without Punch? Where is Judy?

[jdonn]

Did those Poles have michaels on their card? Did they have 3♦ defined? I'm not going to do your research, sorry.

[Free]

I have never heard of playing 3♦ as P/C. In a country where Muiderberg is played a lot, Michaels is handled pretty much the same, so:
2NT = relay (stronger than 3♣)
3♣ = P/C
3♦ = INV(+) with fit in the Major
3M = signoff/preemptive (M = partner's Major)

That's what "standard" is to me, but as we all know standards differ according to the country you live in.

[Fluffy]

stop hijacking the thread! kevin we want the full deal

[andy_h]

Can 5♠ not be pre-emptive?

[kfay]

andy_h, on May 20 2010, 01:09 PM, said:

Can 5♠ not be pre-emptive?

After East passes?

[the hog]

andy_h, on May 21 2010, 01:09 AM, said:

Can 5♠ not be pre-emptive?

I still want to know why 5S can't be bid 6 with good trumps!

[655321]

The_Hog, on May 20 2010, 09:19 PM, said:

I still want to know why 5S can't be bid 6 with good trumps!

It can be, obviously you and your friends can agree to play that way. But of course your having that agreement would not make your meaning the standard one.

As can be seen in the answers in this thread, 5♠ telling partner that your only problem is controls in the opponents suit is completely normal, standard, and surely better. Partner can pass 5♠, or make a bid to show which holding (singleton, void, Ace or King) he has. This meaning for the jump to the 5 level is useful in many different auctions when the opponents have bid a suit.

[the hog]

655321, on May 21 2010, 09:28 AM, said:

The_Hog, on May 20 2010, 09:19 PM, said:

I still want to know why 5S can't be bid 6 with good trumps!

It can be, obviously you and your friends can agree to play that way. But of course your having that agreement would not make your meaning the standard one.

As can be seen in the answers in this thread, 5♠ telling partner that your only problem is controls in the opponents suit is completely normal, standard, and surely better. Partner can pass 5♠, or make a bid to show which holding (singleton, void, Ace or King) he has. This meaning for the jump to the 5 level is useful in many different auctions when the opponents have bid a suit.

Ok, so what is 5H?

[the hog]

Free, on May 20 2010, 09:36 PM, said:

I have never heard of playing 3♦ as P/C.  In a country where Muiderberg is played a lot, Michaels is handled pretty much the same, so:
2NT = relay (stronger than 3♣)
3♣ = P/C
3♦ = INV(+) with fit in the Major
3M = signoff/preemptive (M = partner's Major)

That's what "standard" is to me, but as we all know standards differ according to the country you live in.

And I didn't not say they didn't. I said "standards here". I have already provided JD witha a link about RCO OCR and CRO twos:
http://chrisryall.ne...o/brown.htm#cro
However he was too lazy to look.