[Elianna]

Scoring: MP

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Auction: (opps silent)

1C - 1H
1S - 2S
2NT - 4H
4NT - 5C
5D - 5H
5NT - 6H
pass

We play 2/1, 1430, strong NT.

[ONEferBRID]

♠ KJx
♥ x
♦ AJxx
♣ AQJxx

♠ QTxx
♥ AJTxx
♦ T9x
♣ x

1C - 1H
2D - 2S! ( Lebensohl over this Reverse; start of sign-off )
2NT - all pass

[Jlall]

If west wants to bid 1C...1S, fine, but they have to pass 2S.

I have no idea what 4H was about, but over that west has to bid 4S. 4N is really bad, even if partner will always pass why would you rather play 4N than 4S? If you're that scared of playing a moysian then don't bid 1S.

From there it was a mess but the damage was already done. 2S was a great spot, especially if the field plays 2D on 1D-1H-2C-2D, or 3N on 1C 1H 2D. 4S has a lot of play depending on how they defend/lead. It just seems like west was not ready to bid this way and panicked. Bidding 1S can be fine but you just treat your hand like a normal minimum with 4 spades after that.

[mikeh]

Jlall, on May 3 2010, 06:47 PM, said:

If west wants to bid 1C...1S, fine, but they have to pass 2S.

I have no idea what 4H was about, but over that west has to bid 4S. 4N is really bad, even if partner will always pass why would you rather play 4N than 4S? If you're that scared of playing a moysian then don't bid 1S.

From there it was a mess but the damage was already done. 2S was a great spot, especially if the field plays 2D on 1D-1H-2C-2D, or 3N on 1C 1H 2D. 4S has a lot of play depending on how they defend/lead. It just seems like west was not ready to bid this way and panicked. Bidding 1S can be fine but you just treat your hand like a normal minimum with 4 spades after that.

agreed: I have made this 1♠ bid maybe 3 or 4 times in my life, and it has always worked out very well (altho my memory may be selective). A reverse is ok if that is your style, but this hand is about a K light for me: when I hold a stiff in partner's major, I want (and require) a very good hand to reverse.

If I did reverse, I surely expect partner to bid 2♥, and fail to understand why anyone would not: it says nothing about strength while promising a rebiddable heart suit, and surely I have one?

That would fetch an understrength but unavoidable 2N, which might be passed (there are warning signs that East's hand won't be worth even as much as its hcp suggests).

[Jlall]

I don't see how east can stop after a reverse, maybe it's just be but if I had a 3145 19 count and it went 1C 1H 2D 2H I would never just bid 3N. I guess this has more to do with my style of responding very light and not reversing with random 16 counts and a stiff in partners suit though. A nice 7 count with good spots I am always GFing opp the reverse so that I don't miss 25 and 26 HCP games.

[OleBerg]

I wanna partner East and try Wests drugs.

[jjbrr]

OleBerg, on May 3 2010, 10:37 PM, said:

I wanna partner East and try Wests drugs.

concur on the latter. 4♥ would tilt me pretty bad though. Not really sure what about E's bidding is so attractive.

[OleBerg]

jjbrr, on May 4 2010, 04:12 PM, said:

OleBerg, on May 3 2010, 10:37 PM, said:

I wanna partner East and try Wests drugs.

concur on the latter. 4♥ would tilt me pretty bad though. Not really sure what about E's bidding is so attractive.

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[cherdanno]

Why would West bid 2NT with that hand?

[Jlall]

OleBerg, on May 4 2010, 10:26 AM, said:

jjbrr, on May 4 2010, 04:12 PM, said:

OleBerg, on May 3 2010, 10:37 PM, said:

I wanna partner East and try Wests drugs.

concur on the latter. 4♥ would tilt me pretty bad though. Not really sure what about E's bidding is so attractive.

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LOL.

Here's one: x KQxxxx x Axxxx. Since the example hands have nothing to do with the auction, I'll just list a hand where 4H is the right contract also.

[awm]

1♣ and 1♥ are very normal.

1♠ is a bit off-center, but certainly could work out.

2♠ is very normal.

Bidding 2NT doesn't seem crazy to me -- west has some interest in game with a 16-count opposite a single raise, and there are hands for partner (i.e. Kxxx JTxx Qx Kxx) where game has very good play. It's perhaps a bit pushy at MP scoring.

The 4♥ call should deliver a 6♥-4♠ hand in my opinion. I don't like it with the actual hand, but maybe east had a diamond in with her hearts. I'd prefer 4♠ on the east cards.

The 4NT bid by west is the worst call of the auction though. Having rebid 1♠, you have to accept playing in spades opposite partner's four-card support. A 4♠ contract at least has some play.

After 4NT, there was an obvious misunderstanding about whether keycard was being bid. This is mostly west's fault (the auction is quite nonsensical at this point, and there is an argument for 2NT being a forcing inquiry and 4NT being RKC opposite the apparent max single raise).

So while I think east made one bad call (4♥), the title of "craziest" belongs to west.

[aguahombre]

Jlall, on May 3 2010, 05:47 PM, said:

If west wants to bid 1C...1S, fine, but they have to pass 2S.

That looks right. I chose 1C with a not-quite reverse, then semi-faked 1S. Partner only raised to 2S. Let's see if we beat the field by playing 2S. Hopefully, only one of us gets to show a 4-card suit with only 3 of them on the same hand.

[Jlall]

awm, on May 4 2010, 11:38 AM, said:

Bidding 2NT doesn't seem crazy to me -- west has some interest in game with a 16-count opposite a single raise, and there are hands for partner (i.e. Kxxx JTxx Qx Kxx) where game has very good play. It's perhaps a bit pushy at MP scoring.

Yeah but you're missing a trump. The truth is partner is going to bid 4S a lot and 3N only sometimes. And of course when they decline the invite, they're going to bid 3S. It seems like our expected HCP is about 22-25 (sometimes 21, sometimes 26), and our expected number of trumps is 7 so moving past 2S is too much imo.

Still not the worst thing anyones done obv and as you said it could work.

[peachy]

1S call planted the seeds for a problem auction. And the seeds grew well

[Jlall]

Jlall, on May 4 2010, 11:55 AM, said:

awm, on May 4 2010, 11:38 AM, said:

Bidding 2NT doesn't seem crazy to me -- west has some interest in game with a 16-count opposite a single raise, and there are hands for partner (i.e. Kxxx JTxx Qx Kxx) where game has very good play. It's perhaps a bit pushy at MP scoring.

Yeah but you're missing a trump. The truth is partner is going to bid 4S a lot and 3N only sometimes. And of course when they decline the invite, they're going to bid 3S. It seems like our expected HCP is about 22-25 (sometimes 21, sometimes 26), and our expected number of trumps is 7 so moving past 2S is too much imo.

Still not the worst thing anyones done obv and as you said it could work.

Also if you're trying for game opposite a spade raise it seems like you should just reverse, you're already choosing to overbid (on a misfit hand, when partner is limited to non invitational values).

[OleBerg]

Jlall, on May 4 2010, 05:53 PM, said:

OleBerg, on May 4 2010, 10:26 AM, said:

jjbrr, on May 4 2010, 04:12 PM, said:

OleBerg, on May 3 2010, 10:37 PM, said:

I wanna partner East and try Wests drugs.

concur on the latter. 4♥ would tilt me pretty bad though. Not really sure what about E's bidding is so attractive.

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LOL.

Here's one: x KQxxxx x Axxxx. Since the example hands have nothing to do with the auction, I'll just list a hand where 4H is the right contract also.

???

[Jlall]

Your example hand and the auction 1C-1H-1S-2S-2N are completely unrelated. So was mine. Hope that helps.

[whereagles]

1♠ = huh?
4♥ = ????

from there on I stopped. Come the devil and decide. ahahah

[aguahombre]

Those who complain about the 1S rebid are missing the point. Partner raised to 2S. The auction is over. Opener's slight extra strength in HCP is offset by his lack of a 4-card spade suit. Time to stop bidding.