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#1 User is offline   olliebol 

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Posted 2010-April-24, 09:14

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partner north opens strong club and r.h.o. follows 1spade ( promising spades and clubs), you double and l.h.o. jumps to 4 spades, partner bids 5 diamonds over that and it goes pass to you.

Would you bid 6 ?
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Posted 2010-April-24, 09:31

Partner rates to have not more than 1 spade. I am going for 6. I feel lucky!
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Posted 2010-April-24, 09:34

Did my double show 8+?
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Posted 2010-April-24, 11:30

seems like an easy pass unless we misbid already.
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Posted 2010-April-24, 11:42

Obviously depends on what the double showed. If it showed 5+ balanced, I think you have to raise. You have 9 and they're all working.
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Posted 2010-April-24, 12:38

No Ace, so no.
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Posted 2010-April-24, 12:48

dbl probably shows 5+ or 4+. Was p in a forcong pass situation? If not, I bid 6.
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Posted 2010-April-24, 13:20

Passsss.

I assume dbl was game forcing ?
If my agreements are than dbl is 6+ then well, I pass anyway and change the agreements after the hand.
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Posted 2010-April-24, 14:23

yes
Is the word "pass" not in your vocabulary?
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Posted 2010-April-24, 15:00

I'd be content with the game. Many things can go wrong.
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Posted 2010-April-26, 19:19

Been searching but cant find meaning of double sorry. My guess is 4 or 5 plus since the player in question did bid six with this hand. Ricco van Prooyen playing with Louk Verhees against Israel for a match to determine the third pair for the E.C. in Oostende. Partner had A, xx, AKQXXX, Axxx , club queen right diamonds 2-2

tx for answers i would have passed this at the table.
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Posted 2010-April-26, 20:37

I think this is a raise - LHO has diamonds and RHO has clubs so our finesses rate to be on.
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Posted 2010-April-27, 04:45

While I think playing dbl as unlimited showing 5+ or something is weak agreement I don't think it matters much in this hand.
If partner has some shape and a lot of diamonds he will bid 5 with the same hands opposite 6-7dbl, gf dbl and 5+dbl.

If you disagree, can you give sample hand which bid 5 opposite GF double but pass opposite 6+ double ?
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Posted 2010-April-27, 05:19

IIRC the 1st round double was explained as "5-7 any, or 8+ balanced".
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Posted 2010-April-27, 06:33

pass, on grounds that if pard can make 6 opposite my hand, he could have bid it.
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Posted 2010-April-27, 10:49

whereagles, on Apr 27 2010, 06:03 PM, said:

pass, on grounds that if pard can make 6 opposite my hand, he could have bid it.

LOL
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Posted 2010-April-27, 11:12

6 is clear. I am playing partner for as little as A xx AKQxxx Axxx with the Club Q right and diamonds 2-2.

Seriously, this is a complete guess. I would pass at the table, but not without misgivings.

EDIT: This is what I get for copying part of someone else's post.
I find it highly unlikely that the diamonds are 2-2 if we have a 10 card diamond fit.

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Posted 2010-April-27, 13:39

mohitz, on Apr 27 2010, 11:49 AM, said:

whereagles, on Apr 27 2010, 06:03 PM, said:

pass, on grounds that if pard can make 6 opposite my hand, he could have bid it.

LOL

Why is that a LOL? Out of all the comments he makes that one was about as true as any! Partner will take a chance on slam if there is no room to investigate and he has to guess and can make opposite a decent minimum response.
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Posted 2010-April-27, 13:46

Don't, plzthx
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Posted 2010-April-27, 20:56

jdonn, on Apr 28 2010, 01:09 AM, said:

Why is that a LOL? Out of all the comments he makes that one was about as true as any! Partner will take a chance on slam if there is no room to investigate and he has to guess and can make opposite a decent minimum response.

Because we promised only a 5 count AND because our hand could be much worse even with the same values.

I agree bidding 6 or not is a guess for responder.
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