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#1 User is offline   lmilne 

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Posted 2010-April-19, 17:25

Scoring: MP


2NT-3C-3D-3NT.
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Posted 2010-April-19, 19:12

Worth one try with 2xA +C-single.
I show C-short after Stayman response 4C.
Now partner's 4D is enough to try key ask.
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Posted 2010-April-20, 02:52

I play Baron:

2NT-3NT asks partner to start bidding 4-card suits in ascending order. It'll probably go 2N-3N-4♦-6♦.

 wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:

Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the ♥3.


 rbforster, on 2012-May-20, 21:04, said:

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Posted 2010-April-20, 03:22

Hi,

if you have the option to go looking for a minor suit fit, being
able to stop in 4NT, I guess it is worth a try, but otherwise I
think that the blame to goes to the methods.

We would end up in 3NT.

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Posted 2010-April-20, 03:31

I would have bid 3NT also.

Maybe 4♣ as minor suit ask if opener can show a 5-card diamonds. But I am resulting now. In practice I wouldn't bother.
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Posted 2010-April-20, 03:40

Hanoi5, on Apr 20 2010, 03:52 PM, said:

I play Baron:

2NT-3NT asks partner to start bidding 4-card suits in ascending order. It'll probably go 2N-3N-4♦-6♦.

♠ Kxx
♥ KJ8
♦ AQ5x
♣ AK3

♠ AJT6
♥ A753
♦ 9764
♣ 4


2NT 3NT
4D 6D

Same sequence, not a great contract!

I would have played 3NT unless playing a relay system.
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Posted 2010-April-20, 04:57

Methods problem, we use a version of 5 card major enquiry that would go:

2N-3C
3N (2 spades, not more than 3 hearts)-4D (nat 4 cards +)
4H (RKCB)-5C (2 without)
6D
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Posted 2010-April-20, 06:23

This is totally normal
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Posted 2010-April-20, 07:01

Indeed. You'd need either a strong club system or a gadget to bid 4441s over 2NT to dig out this one.

I think Ron Klinger has one such gadget on his book "5-card major stayman".
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Posted 2010-April-20, 08:30

unlucky
OK
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Posted 2010-April-20, 08:48

'No blame' was the title. Seemed appropriate.
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Posted 2010-April-20, 10:04

slam killer made it again, but my grandma plays 16-18 1NT and opens 1♦ reaching 6 lol.
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Posted 2010-April-20, 10:08

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Posted 2010-April-20, 13:41

I do, in one partnership, have a method for responder to show a 4441 hand with 3+ controls.

But, it is far from clear that we should be using it here: we have a combined 29-30 count, with no assurance of even one 8 card fit.

And the methods essentially commit us to 4N or 5suit.

I think, in real life, unless stuck in a match, late, I'd just bid 3N.

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Posted 2010-April-21, 22:06

IMO if the ♦QJ were ♣QJ then we would perfer 3NT.
I can't think of any system that can specify those honors below 5NT.

if the ♦AQJxx were ♦AKQxx (subtracting an outside Q) i prefer 1♦ -> 3♦ forcing or 1♦ -> 2♥/2♠ -> 3♦
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Posted 2010-April-21, 23:07

No blame. I play Puppet Stayman so 2NT-3C-3NT[no 4 or 5-card major] - now 4D if I think I need a top or an IMP swing, but normally Pass. Even after 4D, we can still stop at 4NT if partner bids it over 4D. And ten tricks should not pose a problem so the mild adventure will usually not cost.
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Posted 2010-April-21, 23:53

peachy, on Apr 22 2010, 12:07 AM, said:

No blame. I play Puppet Stayman so 2NT-3C-3NT[no 4 or 5-card major] - now 4D if I think I need a top or an IMP swing, but normally Pass. Even after 4D, we can still stop at 4NT if partner bids it over 4D. And ten tricks should not pose a problem so the mild adventure will usually not cost.

It will cost if xxxx opposite whatever partner raises with expecting you normally have a 5 card suit (KJxx say) turns out to be an inferior trump suit...
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