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#1 User is offline   MickyB 

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Posted 2010-April-17, 19:16

Scoring: IMP

1♥-(1♠)-2♠-(4♠)
P-(P)-??

2♠ is limit-plus with 3+hearts, the pass over 4♠ is non-forcing.

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Posted 2010-April-17, 19:33

What would 4N be here?
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Posted 2010-April-17, 19:43

Keycard, I'm afraid :D What agreements do you have in your partnerships that might be more useful?
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Posted 2010-April-17, 20:00

MickyB, on Apr 17 2010, 08:16 PM, said:

Scoring: IMP

1♥-(1♠)-2♠-(4♠)
P-(P)-??

2♠ is limit-plus with 3+hearts, the pass over 4♠ is non-forcing.

Partner has to have stuff in the minors for his opening in 1st seat.... based on your hand, but he could have 2 losing spades.
5H! = asking to bid 6 with first or 2nd Rnd Ctrl of Sp.
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Posted 2010-April-17, 20:12

ONEferBRID, on Apr 17 2010, 09:00 PM, said:

MickyB, on Apr 17 2010, 08:16 PM, said:

Scoring: IMP

1♥-(1♠)-2♠-(4♠)
P-(P)-??

2♠ is limit-plus with 3+hearts, the pass over 4♠ is non-forcing.

Partner has to have stuff in the minors for his opening in 1st seat.... based on your hand, but he could have 2 losing spades.
5H! = asking to bid 6 with first or 2nd Rnd Ctrl of Sp.

5H is to play, not a slam try.
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Posted 2010-April-17, 20:25

5D. I thought for awhile if 5C can gain (gives partner a last train step) but I think it's not worth it.
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Posted 2010-April-17, 21:23

prefer 5h ...vul...as a game try...

Hope we make 5


will pard guess we have 11 trumps and I have 2 spades? maybe....but....


worried 5d may misinform...but......
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Posted 2010-April-17, 22:49

Simple 5♦ bid.

1) I didn't splinter.
2) Don't have a club cue.

Partner's not going to guess at whether I have a spade control or not so this seems pretty straight-forward to me. Hard to imagine with my trumps that he will be able to accept but if he's looking at 3 aces and a king or AK AK and a stiff well... what could I possibly have?
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Posted 2010-April-17, 22:51

I would also bid 5D, but I promise you that partner won't have 3 aces, and will rarely accept.
"Are you saying that LTC merits a more respectful dismissal?"
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Posted 2010-April-17, 23:01

cherdanno, on Apr 17 2010, 09:51 PM, said:

I would also bid 5D, but I promise you that partner won't have 3 aces, and will rarely accept.

Why will partner rarely accept? We made a slam try opposite a hand that was willing to defend 4S undoubled! He doesn't need much to accept. For example it would not occur to me to sign off with x Qxxxx KJxx AQx or something.

Also what kfay said is true, partner knows we didn't splinter so will be very careful about bidding on with a doubleton spade. In fact there are no hands with a doubleton spade that I think are consistent with passing 4S where I would now bid slam over 5D.
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Posted 2010-April-17, 23:01

MickyB, on Apr 18 2010, 03:43 AM, said:

Keycard, I'm afraid :D What agreements do you have in your partnerships that might be more useful?

At least three aces out of five. Cuebids now start in 5♣.
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Posted 2010-April-17, 23:02

cherdanno, on Apr 17 2010, 11:51 PM, said:

I would also bid 5D, but I promise you that partner won't have 3 aces, and will rarely accept.

well what can i say, it's late :D
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Posted 2010-April-17, 23:24

ONEferBRID, on Apr 17 2010, 09:00 PM, said:

MickyB, on Apr 17 2010, 08:16 PM, said:

Scoring: IMP

1♥-(1♠)-2♠-(4♠)
P-(P)-??

2♠ is limit-plus with 3+hearts, the pass over 4♠ is non-forcing.

Partner has to have stuff in the minors for his opening in 1st seat.... based on your hand, but he could have 2 losing spades.
5H! = asking to bid 6 with first or 2nd Rnd Ctrl of Sp.

lol
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Posted 2010-April-18, 06:10

MickyB, on Apr 17 2010, 08:16 PM, said:

Scoring: IMP

1♥-(1♠)-2♠-(4♠)
P-(P)-??

2♠ is limit-plus with 3+hearts, the pass over 4♠ is non-forcing.

Well you are pretty much systemically screwed and when that happens I usually take the conservative action since I can't produce any numbers that suggest slam is necessarily 50% or better. Here the potential for 2♠ losers still exists altho I recognize the reduced probabililty engendered by our 11+ card fit. Even passing that test we still have the chances a ♣ & ♠ loser as well as a reduced probability for a ♠ & ♦ loser. So the combination of all of those looks like an odds against slam and just 5♥ for me.
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Posted 2010-April-18, 09:16

Jlall, on Apr 18 2010, 12:24 AM, said:

ONEferBRID, on Apr 17 2010, 09:00 PM, said:

MickyB, on Apr 17 2010, 08:16 PM, said:

Scoring: IMP

1♥-(1♠)-2♠-(4♠)
P-(P)-??

2♠ is limit-plus with 3+hearts, the pass over 4♠ is non-forcing.

Partner has to have stuff in the minors for his opening in 1st seat.... based on your hand, but he could have 2 losing spades.
5H! = asking to bid 6 with first or 2nd Rnd Ctrl of Sp.

lol

"Brainfade"... duhh
Why did I "see" 4S as 3S ?
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Posted 2010-April-18, 12:32

5♦ seems fine. He will have bad trumps but I don't want him accepting without plenty of strength in the minors anyway.
Please let me know about any questions or interest or bug reports about GIB.
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