BBO Discussion Forums: What to do after preempt? - BBO Discussion Forums

Jump to content

Page 1 of 1
  • You cannot start a new topic
  • You cannot reply to this topic

What to do after preempt?

#1 User is offline   Aberlour10 

  • Vugrapholic
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 2,018
  • Joined: 2004-January-06
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:At the Rhine River km 772,1

Posted 2010-April-05, 10:36

Holding following hand in second seat:



What to do after 3♣preempt?

GIB made 3s bid. ...but there is always a danger p pass it with hand that is even good enough to make the game.

How do you handle such a problem? 3s?4s? x? maybe 4c?Thanks for comments!

Robert
Preempts are Aberlour's best bridge friends
0

#2 User is offline   cherdanno 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 1,640
  • Joined: 2009-February-16

Posted 2010-April-05, 10:45

I would bid 4S.
"Are you saying that LTC merits a more respectful dismissal?"
0

#3 User is offline   gwnn 

  • Csaba the Hutt
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 13,027
  • Joined: 2006-June-16
  • Gender:Male
  • Interests:bye

Posted 2010-April-05, 10:48

4S, I'd need a bit more to bid 5S and generally 5S is better when you need aces rather than kings or other fillers like that.
... and I can prove it with my usual, flawless logic.
      George Carlin
0

#4 User is offline   jdonn 

  • - - T98765432 AQT8
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 15,085
  • Joined: 2005-June-23
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Las Vegas, NV

Posted 2010-April-05, 11:12

4♠
Please let me know about any questions or interest or bug reports about GIB.
0

#5 User is offline   neilkaz 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 3,568
  • Joined: 2006-June-28
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Barrington IL USA
  • Interests:Backgammon, Bridge, Hockey

Posted 2010-April-05, 11:22

4♠ from me as well.
0

#6 User is offline   Jlall 

  • Follower of 655321
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Members
  • Posts: 3,293
  • Joined: 2008-December-05
  • Interests:drinking, women, bridge...what else?

Posted 2010-April-05, 11:29

My partner once doubled on a hand like this and I jumped to 4H and we got to 7 when I would have passed 4S heh.

Nevertheless I would just bid 4S here I guess.
0

#7 User is offline   vuroth 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 1,459
  • Joined: 2007-June-03
  • Gender:Male

Posted 2010-April-05, 12:35

I really want to double here. My fears are two fold - being passed (not horrible, but we're not in our best place), and that X - 3D - 4S is an overbid.
Still decidedly intermediate - don't take my guesses as authoritative.

"gwnn" said:

rule number 1 in efficient forum reading:
hanp does not always mean literally what he writes.
0

#8 User is offline   Jlall 

  • Follower of 655321
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Members
  • Posts: 3,293
  • Joined: 2008-December-05
  • Interests:drinking, women, bridge...what else?

Posted 2010-April-05, 12:45

vuroth, on Apr 5 2010, 01:35 PM, said:

I really want to double here. My fears are two fold - being passed (not horrible, but we're not in our best place), and that X - 3D - 4S is an overbid.

I'm with you strongly on the fear of being passed! I would not worry about overbidding with this hand though, you have the equivalent of a 2C opener in playing strength pretty easily.
0

#9 User is offline   bluecalm 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 2,555
  • Joined: 2007-January-22

Posted 2010-April-05, 13:18

I would double and bid 4♠ to invite slam but unfortunately chances are high partner will leave the double.
I don't know what 4♣ and 4♠ would mean.
Anyway I feel that my hand is worth slam invite. If have no way to make it I guess I bid 4♠
0

#10 User is offline   jdonn 

  • - - T98765432 AQT8
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 15,085
  • Joined: 2005-June-23
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Las Vegas, NV

Posted 2010-April-05, 14:12

Jlall, on Apr 5 2010, 01:45 PM, said:

vuroth, on Apr 5 2010, 01:35 PM, said:

I really want to double here.  My fears are two fold - being passed (not horrible, but we're not in our best place), and that X - 3D - 4S is an overbid.

I'm with you strongly on the fear of being passed! I would not worry about overbidding with this hand though, you have the equivalent of a 2C opener in playing strength pretty easily.

I think the fear is partner won't expect a suit like this if we don't get to jump (like 4♣ 4♦ p 4♠ or even p 3NT p 4♠) and may pull us out of spades if he is short to some silly diamond contract.
Please let me know about any questions or interest or bug reports about GIB.
0

#11 User is offline   ArtK78 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 7,786
  • Joined: 2004-September-05
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Galloway NJ USA
  • Interests:Bridge, Poker, participatory and spectator sports.
    Occupation - Tax Attorney in Atlantic City, NJ.

Posted 2010-April-05, 14:23

I would not double on the fear of being passed. Furthermore, if I were playing in a robot tournament, I would expect my robot partner to pass! I have seen this so often that I shy away from all but the most obvious takeout doubles.

4♠ is an underbid. Double followed by 4♠ is about right, except for that nasty passout possibility.

The only other possibility is 4♣ followed by 4♠. But that could lead to a misunderstanding when I bid 4♠ over 4♥.

All in all, I suspect that 4♠ is the practical bid, but there is no doubt that it is an underbid.
0

#12 User is offline   MinorKid 

  • PipPipPipPip
  • Group: Full Members
  • Posts: 296
  • Joined: 2010-February-22
  • Location:Hong Kong, China
  • Interests:Physics<br>Play pool<br><br>Studying Precision System

Posted 2010-April-05, 23:34

I'll dbl. If p bids 4♥ i'd still be happy.

EDIT: Dbl instead.
0

#13 User is offline   chasetb 

  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Full Members
  • Posts: 879
  • Joined: 2009-December-20
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Podunk, backwater USA

Posted 2010-April-07, 00:31

A simple way (that most people don't do) is to play an extension of the Michaels cuebids, called Leaping Michaels. In this case, bidding 4♣ shows the Majors, and 4♦ asks for your better major (obv. ♠).
"It's not enough to win the tricks that belong to you. Try also for some that belong to the opponents."

"Learn from the mistakes of others. You won't live long enough to make them all yourself."

"One advantage of bad bidding is that you get practice at playing atrocious contracts."

-Alfred Sheinwold
0

#14 User is offline   jdonn 

  • - - T98765432 AQT8
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 15,085
  • Joined: 2005-June-23
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Las Vegas, NV

Posted 2010-April-07, 02:10

And if partner is 1-3 in the majors why would he ask which is better? 1-2? What if you have equal length and choose his shorter one?
Please let me know about any questions or interest or bug reports about GIB.
0

Page 1 of 1
  • You cannot start a new topic
  • You cannot reply to this topic

1 User(s) are reading this topic
0 members, 1 guests, 0 anonymous users