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#1 User is offline   Aberlour10 

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Posted 2010-April-05, 10:36

Holding following hand in second seat:



What to do after 3♣preempt?

GIB made 3s bid. ...but there is always a danger p pass it with hand that is even good enough to make the game.

How do you handle such a problem? 3s?4s? x? maybe 4c?Thanks for comments!

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Posted 2010-April-05, 10:45

I would bid 4S.
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Posted 2010-April-05, 10:48

4S, I'd need a bit more to bid 5S and generally 5S is better when you need aces rather than kings or other fillers like that.
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Posted 2010-April-05, 11:12

4♠
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Posted 2010-April-05, 11:22

4♠ from me as well.
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Posted 2010-April-05, 11:29

My partner once doubled on a hand like this and I jumped to 4H and we got to 7 when I would have passed 4S heh.

Nevertheless I would just bid 4S here I guess.
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Posted 2010-April-05, 12:35

I really want to double here. My fears are two fold - being passed (not horrible, but we're not in our best place), and that X - 3D - 4S is an overbid.
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Posted 2010-April-05, 12:45

vuroth, on Apr 5 2010, 01:35 PM, said:

I really want to double here. My fears are two fold - being passed (not horrible, but we're not in our best place), and that X - 3D - 4S is an overbid.

I'm with you strongly on the fear of being passed! I would not worry about overbidding with this hand though, you have the equivalent of a 2C opener in playing strength pretty easily.
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Posted 2010-April-05, 13:18

I would double and bid 4♠ to invite slam but unfortunately chances are high partner will leave the double.
I don't know what 4♣ and 4♠ would mean.
Anyway I feel that my hand is worth slam invite. If have no way to make it I guess I bid 4♠
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Posted 2010-April-05, 14:12

Jlall, on Apr 5 2010, 01:45 PM, said:

vuroth, on Apr 5 2010, 01:35 PM, said:

I really want to double here.  My fears are two fold - being passed (not horrible, but we're not in our best place), and that X - 3D - 4S is an overbid.

I'm with you strongly on the fear of being passed! I would not worry about overbidding with this hand though, you have the equivalent of a 2C opener in playing strength pretty easily.

I think the fear is partner won't expect a suit like this if we don't get to jump (like 4♣ 4♦ p 4♠ or even p 3NT p 4♠) and may pull us out of spades if he is short to some silly diamond contract.
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Posted 2010-April-05, 14:23

I would not double on the fear of being passed. Furthermore, if I were playing in a robot tournament, I would expect my robot partner to pass! I have seen this so often that I shy away from all but the most obvious takeout doubles.

4♠ is an underbid. Double followed by 4♠ is about right, except for that nasty passout possibility.

The only other possibility is 4♣ followed by 4♠. But that could lead to a misunderstanding when I bid 4♠ over 4♥.

All in all, I suspect that 4♠ is the practical bid, but there is no doubt that it is an underbid.
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Posted 2010-April-05, 23:34

I'll dbl. If p bids 4♥ i'd still be happy.

EDIT: Dbl instead.
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Posted 2010-April-07, 00:31

A simple way (that most people don't do) is to play an extension of the Michaels cuebids, called Leaping Michaels. In this case, bidding 4♣ shows the Majors, and 4♦ asks for your better major (obv. ♠).
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Posted 2010-April-07, 02:10

And if partner is 1-3 in the majors why would he ask which is better? 1-2? What if you have equal length and choose his shorter one?
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