[Bbradley62]

Maybe partner wouldn't feel the need to overbid late in the auction if he had done something other than bid 2♣?

[Jlall]

Would the people who would bid 3D on the first round be able to stop in 4D or even 3D?

I don't mean this sarcastically, just curious if you'd be able to stop or if it is just a loss of the style to bid 3D when partner is that strong, but you gain it back on other more frequent layouts because I want to understand the style.

It seems like if you cater to hands this bad in general, you will lose on more "normal" stronger preemptive hands. Do you keep a really wide range, or make some other bid with a hand like a 6 count with 5 diamonds?

[karlson]

Jlall, on Apr 2 2010, 11:03 AM, said:

Would the people who would bid 3D on the first round be able to stop in 4D or even 3D?

I don't mean this sarcastically, just curious if you'd be able to stop or if it is just a loss of the style to bid 3D when partner is that strong, but you gain it back on other more frequent layouts because I want to understand the style.

It seems like if you cater to hands this bad in general, you will lose on more "normal" stronger preemptive hands. Do you keep a really wide range, or make some other bid with a hand like a 6 count with 5 diamonds?

Wide range. Lose when opener has the good hand.

That said, for me this is just not quite enough offense for 3♦ on the first round.

[655321]

Jlall, on Apr 2 2010, 02:03 PM, said:

Would the people who would bid 3D on the first round be able to stop in 4D or even 3D?

I don't mean this sarcastically, just curious if you'd be able to stop or if it is just a loss of the style to bid 3D when partner is that strong, but you gain it back on other more frequent layouts because I want to understand the style.

It seems like if you cater to hands this bad in general, you will lose on more "normal" stronger preemptive hands. Do you keep a really wide range, or make some other bid with a hand like a 6 count with 5 diamonds?

I like to define the 1m-3m preemptive raise as 'opener is expected to pass with 18-19 balanced' (and put the slightly stronger hands with some distribution through a jump in the other minor).

That might not keep me out of trouble on this hand though. Although bidding over 3♦ is arguably wrong even with this hand, I could certainly see myself just bidding 5♦ as opener.

[gnasher]

I'd bid only 2♦ on this, though we'd still get too high. It's a little unlucky that neither ♥Q nor ♦J is worth anything.

With only one way to raise to the three level, I think it's better to play the jump raise as about 5-8 balanced, or weaker but with a singleton. I'm not that worried about partner bidding 3NT, which is going to be a fairly rare given the takeout double, but I do want him to be able to save or compete to 4♦ if he wants to, knowing that there are some offensive values opposite.