[Pict]

Unlike some people on this forum, I have respect for other views.

If you think AKTx is enough of a surprise to a vulnerable 5-level bidder, then certainly double.

I don't believe vulnerable opponents in this position are normally gambling completely.They think they are making 5♥. Maybe it's this hand. Maybe the heart position is more extreme and you get caught in a trump coup.

Anyway it is clear that views on this forum are not taken at their value.

[jdonn]

Pict, on Mar 28 2010, 03:39 AM, said:

Unlike some people on this forum, I have respect for other views.

If you think AKTx is enough of a surprise to a vulnerable 5-level bidder, then certainly double.

I don't believe vulnerable opponents in this position are normally gambling completely.They think they are making 5♥.  Maybe it's this hand.  Maybe the heart position is more extreme and you get caught in a trump coup.

Anyway it is clear that views on this forum are not taken at their value.

Look at the hand he bid 5♥ with. Do you think he felt he was completely making 5♥? He knew his partner had 5 card support? Our king couldn't have been in clubs instead of diamonds? This just supports doubling, look how down east would be if west had 4 card support (or 3???)

[Pict]

As it happens I agree with you. The actual hand is surprising (to me).

If this is a typical choice my analysis is out of date. I would have expected more with the doubler and more hearts with the pulling hand.

[pooltuna]

Jlall, on Mar 27 2010, 05:35 PM, said:

seriously?

-850 vs -300 is not possible? So in my mind, pass is an option, as well as 5♠. Is this a FP auction? I wouldn't think so. Plus no consideration as to who the opps are. If Meckwell were playing this would X still be so clear?

[dake50]

Partner heard us open 1NT. He jumped to 4S, then showed no double - only DK side.
What a surprise I have for opponents - . . . I can mastermind this double.

What does partner need to offer a cooperative X? Side A? Side AK? Side K+K? He don't got them. Rosey eyed to see down one is even 50%.

[cherdanno]

pooltuna, on Mar 28 2010, 06:55 AM, said:

Jlall, on Mar 27 2010, 05:35 PM, said:

seriously?

-850 vs -300 is not possible? So in my mind, pass is an option, as well as 5♠. Is this a FP auction? I wouldn't think so. Plus no consideration as to who the opps are. If Meckwell were playing this would X still be so clear?

Yes I think double is obvious against anyone.

[olliebol]

Im also not convinced by the they must be close here posters. Double it is. If they are world class the happier i am for this opportunity.

[655321]

Double seems obvious to me, don't understand not doubling at all.

[rogerclee]

never mind

[Codo]

So they made a double game? WTP?

They just needed to pick up the hearts, clubs 3-3 (or finding the jack) and a diamond finesse.

Well done opps, push board.

[pooltuna]

Codo, on Mar 29 2010, 03:11 AM, said:

So they made a double game? WTP?

They just needed to pick up the hearts, clubs 3-3 (or finding the jack) and a diamond finesse.

Well done opps, push board.

The real question in my mind is why partner chose this particular auction and how that impacts the decision process for the rest of the auction. Might or should we expect something like

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What I am trying to suggest is that partner should reserve jumps like 4♠/1NT for preemptive style calls. Certainly the colors on this hand are right for that.

[OleBerg]

pooltuna, on Mar 29 2010, 03:58 PM, said:

Codo, on Mar 29 2010, 03:11 AM, said:

So they made a double game? WTP?

They just needed to pick up the hearts, clubs 3-3 (or finding the jack) and a diamond finesse.

Well done opps, push board.

The real question in my mind is why partner chose this particular auction and how that impacts the decision process for the rest of the auction. Might or should we expect something like

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What I am trying to suggest is that partner should reserve jumps like 4♠/1NT for preemptive style calls. Certainly the colors on this hand are right for that.

Indeed. I love to wait for eight-card suits with absolutely nothing on the side. I see them all the time.

[Codo]

I agree that partner sometimes bids 4 ♠ with purely competetive hands. This happens. But if he waits for 8 card suit, he will wait quite long. I belive that the best approach is to use 4 ♠ for all kind of hands- from no defence 9 card suits to fair hands. This makes it much harder for the opps to make the right descission on the 5. level.

But even if partner has no defence: You may beat 5 ♥ here on pure power opposite a yarb. And even if not: You can gurantee that there are no overtricks, so what do you lose?

[pooltuna]

Codo, on Mar 30 2010, 01:26 AM, said:

I agree that partner sometimes bids 4 ♠ with purely competetive hands. This happens. But if he waits for 8 card suit, he will wait quite long. I belive that the best approach is to use 4 ♠ for all kind of hands- from no defence 9 card suits to fair hands. This makes it much harder for the opps to make the right descission on the 5. level.

But even if partner has no defence: You may beat 5 ♥ here on pure power opposite a yarb. And even if not: You can gurantee that there are no overtricks, so what do you lose?

850 points

[OleBerg]

pooltuna, on Mar 30 2010, 03:27 PM, said:

Codo, on Mar 30 2010, 01:26 AM, said:

I agree that partner sometimes bids 4 ♠ with purely competetive hands. This happens. But if he waits for 8 card suit, he will wait quite long. I belive that the best approach is to use 4 ♠ for all kind of hands- from no defence 9 card suits to fair hands. This makes it much harder for the opps to make the right descission on the 5. level.

But even if partner has no defence: You may beat 5 ♥ here on pure power opposite a yarb. And even if not: You can gurantee that there are no overtricks, so what do you lose?

850 points

But not many IMP's.

Declarer on the actual hand picked up hearts without a double, and made the contract.

The board is from a four-table XIMP tournament, and the other three reults were:

4♠ making.
4♠ -1
4♠ -2

So a double would have cost virtually nothing.


This doesn't go for teams of cource, where your opponents never guess wrong, and your excellent teammates always have 650, if they are available.