[kfay]

Scoring: IMP

(1NT)-P-(2♥)-Dbl
(2♠)-?

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And what do you think bids mean?

[rogerclee]

2N, two places to play.

[PhantomSac]

I play X=takeout, 2N=game try in hearts, 3m not a fit non jump but usually implies tolerance like 2-6.

I would just bid 3H with this hand.

[nigel_k]

rogerclee, on Mar 9 2010, 11:00 AM, said:

2N, two places to play.

I would have said there are two places to play and they are 3♥ and 4♥. So I guess we need to agree what the double is first.

If it is takeout, I think it is pretty much analagous to 1♠-X-2♠. The opponents have slightly higher expected high card strength but it's easier to play both seqeunces the same way. I've also heard there are some people who don't always have 15 HCP when they open 1NT. So I'd prefer a responsive double on this hand and 2NT either lebenshohl or natural depending on agreement.

If the double is hearts then it is analagous to 1♠-2♥-2♠. I think this is enough for a game try so would X then bid 3H.

[aguahombre]

rogerclee, on Mar 8 2010, 03:00 PM, said:

2N, two places to play.

Yep 2NT =two places to play. The double showed hearts because 2S would have been a takeout of spades. Therefore the two places to play would be 3H and 4H. This hand really is only good enough for 3H.

[jdonn]

nigel_k, on Mar 8 2010, 05:13 PM, said:

If the double is hearts then it is analagous to 1♠-2♥-2♠. I think this is enough for a game try so would X then bid 3H.

I don't think it's analagous to a 2 level overcall at all. It has a much lower range. KJTxx(x?) and out is arguably enough. I would definitely want a better hand than this to invite game.

[nigel_k]

jdonn, on Mar 9 2010, 11:16 AM, said:

nigel_k, on Mar 8 2010, 05:13 PM, said:

If the double is hearts then it is analagous to 1♠-2♥-2♠. I think this is enough for a game try so would X then bid 3H.

I don't think it's analagous to a 2 level overcall at all. It has a much lower range. KJTxx(x?) and out is arguably enough. I would definitely want a better hand than this to invite game.

I didn't mean that the strength is necessarily the same, just that the meaning of bids should logically be the same. I would certainly double with hands that weren't good enough to overcall but would need a hand that can beat 2♥ when partner doesn't have much. Maybe KJTxxx and an ace or a bit more if only five hearts.

[PhantomSac]

How can 2N logically be a natural bid?

[aguahombre]

PhantomSac, on Mar 8 2010, 04:09 PM, said:

How can 2N logically be a natural bid?

Did someone say it was? It is logically either a cue for hearts, or a scramble if partner bid 2S takeout instead of doubling the transfer.

[whereagles]

rogerclee, on Mar 8 2010, 10:00 PM, said:

2N, two places to play.

3♥, one place to play.

Other bids are natural (gasp! )

[nigel_k]

PhantomSac, on Mar 9 2010, 12:09 PM, said:

How can 2N logically be a natural bid?

Why can't we have AQx Qx Kxxx Jxxx opposite x KJTxxx Axx xxx?

Obviously this is contrived as we don't have a single card wasted and partner wouldn't raise it anyway. But there is plenty of room for him to have more and opponents have less. It may well be better to use 2NT as a heart invite but a natural 2NT is not illogical.

[effervesce]

nigel_k, on Mar 8 2010, 07:49 PM, said:

PhantomSac, on Mar 9 2010, 12:09 PM, said:

How can 2N logically be a natural bid?

Why can't we have AQx Qx Kxxx Jxxx opposite x KJTxxx Axx xxx?

Obviously this is contrived as we don't have a single card wasted and partner wouldn't raise it anyway. But there is plenty of room for him to have more and opponents have less. It may well be better to use 2NT as a heart invite but a natural 2NT is not illogical.

Change that to _much_ better as either heart invite or scramble or something artificial other than a natural 2NT. Given this is an adv/exp bridge forum, I suppose it makes it illogical to play 2NT there as natural.

[Free]

2NT for me is INV+ with ♥ fit. This means Dbl is takeout. I don't understand the point of playing 2NT as 2 places to play (if you have fit you support, if you don't you Dbl).

I'd just bid 3♥.

[gwnn]

I am sticking to the "2NT is always a good heart bid over 2♠" rule. But this hand does not qualify -- 3♥.

[pooltuna]

kfay, on Mar 8 2010, 04:51 PM, said:

Scoring: IMP

(1NT)-P-(2♥)-Dbl
(2♠)-?

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And what do you think bids mean?

1NT is known from CC
2♥ a normal transfer known from CC
X is a lead director, potential sacrifice suit in ♥
2♠ normal agreement is 3+♠

This is how I interpret what you were asking rather than what I would now bid and what those would mean.

[Free]

pooltuna, on Mar 9 2010, 03:53 PM, said:

kfay, on Mar 8 2010, 04:51 PM, said:

Scoring: IMP

(1NT)-P-(2♥)-Dbl
(2♠)-?

---

And what do you think bids mean?

1NT is known from CC
2♥ a normal transfer known from CC
X is a lead director, potential sacrifice suit in ♥
2♠ normal agreement is 3+♠

This is how I interpret what you were asking rather than what I would now bid and what those would mean.

I would even say 2♠ rightsides the contract, meaning opener has some sort of stopper in ♥. With Ax+ or xx+ he can RDbl to let partner play.

[gwnn]

aguahombre, on Mar 8 2010, 10:15 PM, said:

The double showed hearts because 2S would have been a takeout of spades.

I think nowadays 2S for most people is michaels and not takeout of spades. I will try to find that thread.

[kfay]

pooltuna, on Mar 9 2010, 09:53 AM, said:

kfay, on Mar 8 2010, 04:51 PM, said:

Scoring: IMP

(1NT)-P-(2♥)-Dbl
(2♠)-?

---

And what do you think bids mean?

1NT is known from CC
2♥ a normal transfer known from CC
X is a lead director, potential sacrifice suit in ♥
2♠ normal agreement is 3+♠

This is how I interpret what you were asking rather than what I would now bid and what those would mean.

NICE JOB!! That's exactly what I was asking. tx

[andy_h]

gwnn, on Mar 10 2010, 03:01 AM, said:

aguahombre, on Mar 8 2010, 10:15 PM, said:

The double showed hearts because 2S would have been a takeout of spades.

I think nowadays 2S for most people is michaels and not takeout of spades. I will try to find that thread.

Beat you

[jdonn]

KFay you wanted to know what the bids that already occured mean?!