[whereagles]

pass. sometimes responder bids with 3-4 points. this would be the wrong time to do it...

[peachy]

I like Dbl, followed by 2NT. This is only because we are red versus white, otherwise I pass. If they are red, I have no prob defending 1S, should the auction stop at 1S.

[wank]

I followed the boring route and just showed 19-21 which fetched the dummy.

Partner had:

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so 3NT makes, though 4H by p wouldn't make if they find a spade lead. RHO had his bid (unsurprisingly, 2nd in) - 12 high with the remaining 5 spades

[effervesce]

gwnn, on Mar 4 2010, 10:24 AM, said:

the 1S opening on our right made our hand worse, not better. now you have little hope for 4 or 5 spade tricks. I am surprised you consider otherwise

Apparently non-zero as it happened that we do have 5 spade tricks on this hand =)

[effervesce]

PhantomSac, on Mar 4 2010, 09:46 AM, said:

red/white I would X, any other vul I would just pass

And your rebid after X?

[effervesce]

gwnn, on Mar 4 2010, 12:17 PM, said:

pooltuna, on Mar 4 2010, 03:44 PM, said:

gwnn, on Mar 4 2010, 10:24 AM, said:

the 1S opening on our right made our hand worse, not better. now you have little hope for 4 or 5 spade tricks. I am surprised you consider otherwise

absolutely right there is no way partner could have

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so game is completely out of reach
<sarcasm off>

pooltuna my old friend: this was my contention:

My hand got worse after RHO opened 1S.

To rephrase, suppose these two different scenarios:

a. RHO opened 1H
b. RHO opened 1S

In which case is this hand stronger? Why? Why not?

I think my hand is clearly better if RHO opens 1H than 1S. Do you disagree?

Um, gwnn, what you've said is absolutely true, but you're making the wrong comparison (strawman argument).

The comparison is NOT between a 1♥ and 1♠ opening by RHO; its a comparison between what the hand is worth when RHO bids 1♠ vs passing. It is true that we will have transportation problems given dummy will not have all that many points; but also given that RHO has most of the points most things would be onside. Thus I'd decide to not downgrade the hand and still think of it as a '22HCP' hand, which I'd have evaluated the hand as if RHO had passed.

[PhantomSac]

effervesce, on Mar 4 2010, 04:13 PM, said:

PhantomSac, on Mar 4 2010, 09:46 AM, said:

red/white I would X, any other vul I would just pass

And your rebid after X?

NT

whatever the minimum number I can bid is at that point.

[gwnn]

This is absolutely amazing. I write something in reply to effervesce and pooltuna replies to it (with a semi unrelated post). Then after I reply to pooltuna effervesce replies to my unrelated reply!!! Is it bizzaro week???

[effervesce]

gwnn, on Mar 4 2010, 07:04 PM, said:

This is absolutely amazing. I write something in reply to effervesce and pooltuna replies to it (with a semi unrelated post). Then after I reply to pooltuna effervesce replies to my unrelated reply!!! Is it bizzaro week???

lol. Nice pickup.