[cloa513]

N: 1 NT, S:3♥, N: 4 ♥, S: 6 ♥ all other pass
lead: 9 ♥

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BTW Isn't FULLHAND a bit of a hassle and finicky.

While the first example was a bit easy, try this which I alluded in the first thread. South after winning lead in hand leads to A♠ then tries ruffing finesse discarding a club! So defenders attack clubs and the contract is made. How does East signal for diamonds assuming he wants that listed as a signal on the system card- it would need specific limits for use?

BTW This is from Winning Declarer Play by Dorothy Hayden Truscott and I bought it at a sale for $4.

[OleBerg]

All this requires is confidence and Lavinthal. ♠9 under the queen.

[cloa513]

I hadn't heard of Lavinthal but of course with web search found its more familar McKenny- Is there a document that lists it as using like this in a situation like this i.e. not a follow to partner's lead, nor a discard nor even a continuation of a suit.

[OleBerg]

Lavinthal in a simple form:

High card in a suit led, indicates values in the highest relevant suit. A low card indicates values in the the lowest relevant suit.


When declarer plays a low spade to the ace and another spade, it is quite obvious what she is up to, so giving suit-preference is obvious.

If West is aware that East is oblivious to such signals, he simply ducks the ♠Q in tempo.

Declarers next discard of a diamond gives the show away.

[cloa513]

But of course the point is that declarer doesn't discard a diamond, he discards a club- its a desparate measure.

[Dl]

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[Dl]

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North and South each have 5 spade including all honours. In clubs West has Ace but N-S all the other honours and only the Ace as a loser. N has some strength in clubs.
Bidding (All N-S) Dealer South :1♠, 2♠, 3 ♥, 4♠, 6♠. Of course North is rediculously conservative but West leads a J♦ (I don't think a good lead low ♦ is better? to show 4) on 10 ♥ by North- South does only one round of spades to limit signals- does 2♥ indicate club lead preference and 5♥ indicate diamonds lead preference. There is slight risk of wrong signal.

[nige1]

What I wrote was rubbish I think I'll go to bed

[gwnn]

cloa513, on Feb 27 2010, 01:12 PM, said:

BTW Isn't FULLHAND a bit of a hassle and finicky.

nope.

Anyway, that's nice declarer play. I hope I will try it soon. Or fall for it on defense.

[OleBerg]

cloa513, on Feb 28 2010, 01:50 AM, said:

But of course the point is that declarer doesn't discard a diamond, he discards a club- its a desparate measure.

Listen carefull, I shall say this only once:

When the ♠Q is led from dummy, discarding a club, West ducks smoothly. Now, when declarer repeats the ruffing finesse, she cannot discard the ♣K, but has to discard a diamond. This gives the show away.

When the ♠Q is led from dummy, discarding a club, West ducks smoothly. Now, when declarer repeats the ruffing finesse, she cannot discard the ♣K, but has to discard a diamond. This gives the show away.

[OleBerg]

And if declarer has used reverse-reverse psychology, dropping a needed discard on the first spade, and falsecarded on the second, telling me: "I knew you'd duck that spade smoothly if you had the king", I'll ask her to merry me.

[gnasher]

OleBerg, on Feb 28 2010, 09:54 AM, said:

When the ♠Q is led from dummy, discarding a club, West ducks smoothly.

That would look rather foolish if declarer had x AJ10xxxx xx AKx or x AJ10xxxx AKx xx. What was wromg with your first answer, that East gives suit-preference in the spade suit?

[OleBerg]

gnasher, on Feb 28 2010, 11:49 AM, said:

OleBerg, on Feb 28 2010, 09:54 AM, said:

When the ♠Q is led from dummy, discarding a club, West ducks smoothly.

That would look rather foolish if declarer had x AJ10xxxx xx AKx or x AJ10xxxx AKx xx. What was wromg with your first answer, that East gives suit-preference in the spade suit?

Nothing really. That ducking thing was just a tangent that went awry. I thought that it was clear from my first post, that I was semi-joking. (Whatever that is.)

[cloa513]

I'll take my new hand of a similar vein into a new thread- Nonstandard signal part 3 if that is what is needed.

[kfay]

gnasher, on Feb 28 2010, 04:49 AM, said:

OleBerg, on Feb 28 2010, 09:54 AM, said:

When the ♠Q is led from dummy, discarding a club, West ducks smoothly.

That would look rather foolish if declarer had x AJ10xxxx xx AKx or x AJ10xxxx AKx xx. What was wromg with your first answer, that East gives suit-preference in the spade suit?

Partner followed to the first ♥, right?

[gnasher]

kfay, on Mar 1 2010, 02:28 PM, said:

gnasher, on Feb 28 2010, 04:49 AM, said:

OleBerg, on Feb 28 2010, 09:54 AM, said:

When the ♠Q is led from dummy, discarding a club, West ducks smoothly.

That would look rather foolish if declarer had x AJ10xxxx xx AKx or x AJ10xxxx AKx xx. What was wromg with your first answer, that East gives suit-preference in the spade suit?

Partner followed to the first ♥, right?

Good point. How about x AJ10xxx AKxx xx?

[pooltuna]

OleBerg, on Feb 27 2010, 08:40 AM, said:

All this requires is confidence and Lavinthal. ♠9 under the queen.

That's if it lived to survive trick 2. Many would have set this at trick 2 when they cashed their 2nd ♦ the A.