[lmilne]

Scoring: IMP

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3 passes to you, you open 1♥. X on your left, partner bids 1♠, RHO passes...

Systemically, your options at the table include 2NT artificial GF, after which you can show a] 3♠, 6+♥ or b] a single-suited ♥ hand with a diamond shortage.

What say you, BBF?

[the hog]

2NT

[aguahombre]

nice to have all those options. I opened 1H and planned to rebid 3H if pard responded. Partner responded, so I rebid 3H. Life is simple.

[jjbrr]

lol you have a system to show exactly this hand and you're asking us what to do? would you like a written invitation?

[blackshoe]

It would seem the question is whether to show the 3 card spade support or the stiff diamond. Support with support.

[PhantomSac]

The problem is probably that GF is a bit of an overbid, sorry to be a point counter but SIXTEEN.

That being said, given that LHO doubled, partners bid is a freebid. Obv it doesn't show the nuts or anything, but partner isn't going to stretch to bid unless he has a good suit, he will often pass with 5-6 which he would have responded with. Also I don't think he'd bid a bad 4 card spade suit after a takeout X. All that plus the fact that we can describe our shape (3-6) if we GF whereas 3H might miss out on spades leads me to bid 2N.

[cherdanno]

Yeah if I could show 6H 3S and an invite then I would do that, but bidding 3H just misses too many games when partner has 5 spades, I don't think this is close.

[Siegmund]

Hm. I am happy with forcing to game here, with a strong expectation of good values fitting with my Qxx. I would find 3H to be a substantial underbid, though if I were 1-6-3-3 I'd settle for it.

[aguahombre]

you guys are more used to playing against random takout doubles.

[Fluffy]

whenever some strenght by the opponents is shown during the bidding (mostly when they bid 1NT actually), I am "overreevaluating" my hand latelly, you've gotta love ♥AKQxxx ♣AJx!. At most our hand is having a jack missplaced, compare this hand with some AJ-AQ-KJ-KQ combos and see the difference, all our cards are gonna work.

And most of partner's cards are gonna be onside also.

The only thign to slow me down a bit is that double suggests bad breaks in the majors, but even if avaible, I think I'd still GF with this hand.

[dealmegold]

jjbrr, on Feb 25 2010, 09:48 PM, said:

lol you have a system to show exactly this hand and you're asking us what to do? would you like a written invitation?

ditto!

out of interest - what do you do with your balanced 18 counts?

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

a)

Most Partner will be more interested in 3 card support for his suit,
than to know about diamond shortage.
I show 9 cards, and obviously I still can be short in a 3rd suit.

In my opinion, if I dont show 3 cards in p suit, I deny them.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[straube]

3H. I don't have GF values. I don't have the mechanism to show 3 spades, 6 hearts and GI values.

[lmilne]

jjbrr, on Feb 25 2010, 09:48 PM, said:

lol you have a system to show exactly this hand and you're asking us what to do? would you like a written invitation?

obv I GF'd and showed my hand. Some posters want to bid 3♥ though, and that's why I asked... my judgement is hardly perfect.

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out of interest - what do you do with your balanced 18 counts?

you don't want to know...



... we open 2♣. Hey, at least its not a common hand-type!
It doesn't seem to work out too bad in practice, as responder can pass or xfer to 2M so can play 3 strains (right-sided) at the 2-level. Also, having 2NT rebid as art GF = super awesome yahtzee jackpot jenga in a surprising amount of normal auctions...

[jdonn]

You should always overbid a little if it allows you to show your shape very well but the value bid doesn't.

[Cascade]

lmilne, on Feb 27 2010, 09:24 AM, said:

jjbrr, on Feb 25 2010, 09:48 PM, said:

lol you have a system to show exactly this hand and you're asking us what to do? would you like a written invitation?

obv I GF'd and showed my hand. Some posters want to bid 3♥ though, and that's why I asked... my judgement is hardly perfect.

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out of interest - what do you do with your balanced 18 counts?

you don't want to know...



... we open 2♣. Hey, at least its not a common hand-type!
It doesn't seem to work out too bad in practice, as responder can pass or xfer to 2M so can play 3 strains (right-sided) at the 2-level. Also, having 2NT rebid as art GF = super awesome yahtzee jackpot jenga in a surprising amount of normal auctions...

Mexican 2♦ is great.

2♣ is better although it creates some problems with GF hands.

What do you use the 3NT rebid for.

We use

2NT = Game invite plus without three cards in partner's suit - 100% forcing with a minimum responder must bid 3 of partner's suit (even without support think void) which might sound bad but you are no worse off than natural after 1m 1M; 3m

3suit = Game invitational with three cards

and the bidders choice of

3NT (less distributional)/4suit = Game force with three cards

The last option(s) is not ideal as it risks wrong siding 3NT but on the other hand partner removes fairly often.

It seems to be that when you have a gadget that describes your shape perfectly that it becomes very reasonable to stretch to use the gadget when the alternative is also flawed in some ways.

[lmilne]

2♣ 18-19 allows you to xfer to hearts at the two level and thus both signoff lower and play hearts lower. 2♣ GF allows you to show hearts at the two-level in a GF sequence. We play 2♦ GF because we don't get dealt those

We play 1X-1Y-2NT as GF forcing 3♣, now opener shows 3/6 or single-suited with shortage or some ridiculously strong splinter that we didn't open a GF. 3NT is balanced with 2 of responders suit, either 7222 or 6322. As you can see, we don't have any fancy stuff with invites.

We were thinking of making 2♠ as something with multiple options after 1♣-1♦ (hearts), currently we just play it as 5-6, 10-14. Also 1♣-1♥ (spades)-3♦/3♥ should be something...