[Benoit35]

This happened at the club last night. Playing 2/1:

Scoring: MP

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1♠ - (p) - 1NT - (p)
3NT - (p) - ?

[ONEferBRID]

Because this is posted, I bet partner has something like:

A K Q x x x
A x
Q x x
A x

[bid_em_up]

Why did I bid 1N forcing when I have what appears to be a perfectly normal spade raise?

(fwiw, I would correct to 4♠ now, and kick myself for not bidding 2♠ initially).

[jdonn]

4♠ would show a very weak hand with spade support. So on the presumption you were treating this as a limit raise in spades I would just bid 6♠ now. 4NT is not (at least not obviously) keycard, 4♦ and 5♦ (and 5♣ if you consider that?) all seem natural without discussion, and 5♠ is possible as a value bid but I don't see how it will help our accuracy much at all unless we have detailed agreements anyway.

[dcohio]

Why would i bid 2♠ with well over a "normal" spade raise? This is at least a limit raise if not more.

8HCP + 2 for the stiff club + 1-2 for the long diamonds = 11-12. I'm almost willing to game force with this hand and bid 2♦ and then raise spades on my next bid.

However, with the bidding shown, I've worked myself into a jam.

4♠ is likely an underbid. 6♠ is my call

[aguahombre]

With Oneferbrid's example companion hand, we would still not get to 7, but it is roughly what we would expect from the 3NT rebid --6 spades, game opposite a minimum responding hand, sort of balanced.

1NT was the start of a 3-card limit raise in spades? O.K., but unless 4D is defined as accepting spades with a concentration of values in Diamonds, we just have to blast to 6S. 4S might be only 2-card support, since opener showed 6.

BTW, if 4D is a spade try, 4NT (6 keys in play), might get the grand. We don't have that agreement, but maybe we should.

[pooltuna]

Benoit35, on Feb 24 2010, 09:26 AM, said:

This happened at the club last night. Playing 2/1:

Scoring: MP

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1♠ - (p) - 1NT - (p)
3NT - (p) - ?

complete your planned action which was to show ♠ support over partner's forced call over 1NT. I would call 4♦ in case partner turns stupid on me and passes (I hate going down ) and bid 5♠ if instead he calls 5♦. You are forced to do it like this because of his 3NT call (probably instead of a sane 2NT call). A direct 4♠ would show a much weaker hand.

[pooltuna]

bid_em_up, on Feb 24 2010, 11:20 AM, said:

Why did I bid 1N forcing when I have what appears to be a perfectly normal spade raise?

(fwiw, I would correct to 4♠ now, and kick myself for not bidding 2♠ initially).

mainly because your hand is good enough IMO for a 3card limit raise.

[Fluffy]

dcohio, on Feb 24 2010, 04:45 PM, said:

8HCP + 2 for the stiff club + 1-2 for the long diamonds = 11-12.

If you expect using the short clubs and the long diamonds on this deal you better bid 7 now.

[Benoit35]

The rest of the story: being jammed, I blasted 6♠ and we were the only pair to bid slam. Everyone made 12 tricks. Partner had something like
AQJxx AK Qxx Kxx but I can't remember exactly.

If I had to do it again, I'd probably bid a GF 2♦ in response to the opening. By our system his next bid would have been 3NT, after which I have a 4♥ bid to keycard for spades.

[hanp]

Benoit35, on Feb 25 2010, 11:24 AM, said:

The rest of the story: being jammed, I blasted 6♠ and we were the only pair to bid slam. Everyone made 12 tricks. Partner had something like
AQJxx AK Qxx Kxx but I can't remember exactly.

If I had to do it again, I'd probably bid a GF 2♦ in response to the opening. By our system his next bid would have been 3NT, after which I have a 4♥ bid to keycard for spades.

Jdonn would now say: to bad we don't have a bid that shows 18-19 balanced.

[jdonn]

hanp, on Feb 25 2010, 12:05 PM, said:

Benoit35, on Feb 25 2010, 11:24 AM, said:

The rest of the story: being jammed, I blasted 6♠ and we were the only pair to bid slam.  Everyone made 12 tricks.  Partner had something like
AQJxx AK Qxx Kxx but I can't remember exactly.

If I had to do it again, I'd probably bid a GF 2♦ in response to the opening.  By our system his next bid would have been 3NT, after which I have a 4♥ bid to keycard for spades.

Jdonn would now say: to bad we don't have a bid that shows 18-19 balanced.

No I would say: too bad we don't have a bid that shows 18-19 balanced.

[hanp]

ok you got me this time.