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#21 User is offline   pooltuna 

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Posted 2010-February-15, 11:01

jdonn, on Feb 15 2010, 03:14 AM, said:

pooltuna, on Feb 14 2010, 05:26 PM, said:

hanp, on Feb 14 2010, 01:59 PM, said:

What you cannot do is freely bid 2S and then pass partner's forcing 3C call.

sorry but it is not forcing unless by previous discussion

Yes it is.

well if you are playing with me and you bid 3♣ you are playing it there. you have other calls to force with.
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Posted 2010-February-15, 11:06

But I don't want to play with someone who passes forcing bids :unsure:
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Posted 2010-February-15, 11:43

jdonn, on Feb 15 2010, 12:06 PM, said:

But I don't want to play with someone who passes forcing bids :unsure:

then talk to me before hand and I won't pass :)
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Posted 2010-February-15, 16:45

1eyedjack, on Feb 14 2010, 03:18 PM, said:

hanp, on Feb 14 2010, 07:59 PM, said:

What you cannot do is freely bid 2S and then pass partner's forcing 3C call.

Looks like a good reason for making 3♣ non-forcing. I very much dislike being required to pass rather than 2♠ for fear of hearing a forcing 3♣. That said, I think I would probably want to force with that strong hand. And get too high and go down.

He is going to hear 3C whether he bid 2S or not, if takeout-doubler had the strong one-suiter in clubs.
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Posted 2010-February-15, 19:28

peachy, on Feb 15 2010, 05:45 PM, said:

1eyedjack, on Feb 14 2010, 03:18 PM, said:

hanp, on Feb 14 2010, 07:59 PM, said:

What you cannot do is freely bid 2S and then pass partner's forcing 3C call.

Looks like a good reason for making 3♣ non-forcing. I very much dislike being required to pass rather than 2♠ for fear of hearing a forcing 3♣. That said, I think I would probably want to force with that strong hand. And get too high and go down.

He is going to hear 3C whether he bid 2S or not, if takeout-doubler had the strong one-suiter in clubs.

Why won't he hear 2♣?
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Posted 2010-February-16, 01:17

doublign with spade void is asking for trouble IMO, 3NT or even 2♣ look better to me.

I would enver make a frre bid with Jack high hand on first round.
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Posted 2010-February-16, 01:48

It just seems to me that if you are going to pass with a 6-4 shape in which most of the time partner is going to have 3+ card support for your 6 card suit, and a secondary fit when it is only 3 card support (and much of the time anyway) it must be on the understanding that you intend to show it later, whatever happens in the intervening time. I just feel more comfortable bidding now.
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Posted 2010-February-16, 02:03

I would just overcall 2♣. I don't expect the auction to be over. If I double, partner will expect more ♠s which can be a disaster.
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Posted 2010-February-16, 02:36

jdonn, on Feb 15 2010, 08:28 PM, said:

peachy, on Feb 15 2010, 05:45 PM, said:

1eyedjack, on Feb 14 2010, 03:18 PM, said:

hanp, on Feb 14 2010, 07:59 PM, said:

What you cannot do is freely bid 2S and then pass partner's forcing 3C call.

Looks like a good reason for making 3♣ non-forcing. I very much dislike being required to pass rather than 2♠ for fear of hearing a forcing 3♣. That said, I think I would probably want to force with that strong hand. And get too high and go down.

He is going to hear 3C whether he bid 2S or not, if takeout-doubler had the strong one-suiter in clubs.

Why won't he hear 2♣?

He might, if his RHO passes.
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Posted 2010-February-16, 06:20

Free, on Feb 16 2010, 03:03 AM, said:

I would just overcall 2♣. I don't expect the auction to be over. If I double, partner will expect more ♠s which can be a disaster.

I would _not_ overcall 2♣. If I do, I expect the auction to be over. If I bid 2♣, partner will not expect a hand with so many playing tricks which can be a disaster when he and the opps pass it out.
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Posted 2010-February-16, 09:59

I think overcalling 2♣ on the first hand is taking an idea too far.
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