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Revison time How would you rule?

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Posted 2010-February-12, 04:58

At an individual a player sits in the wrong direction and plays 2 boards in the wrong order (wrong partner, etc). He finds out barely when the revision time is finishing, do you allow the change to be made?

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Posted 2010-February-12, 07:04

If it's in time, it's in time. wtp?
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Posted 2010-February-12, 07:05

I don't understand the question. What change?
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Posted 2010-February-12, 07:47

campboy, on Feb 12 2010, 08:05 AM, said:

I don't understand the question. What change?

Presumably the bridgemates recorded the score as being by the wrong player. In which case, clearly yes, if it was in time

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Posted 2010-February-12, 10:21

Hmm, Is everything subject to revision time?

I would think that a score attributed to the wrong player would be revised --regardless of the precise timing.
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  Posted 2010-February-14, 19:43

So if we find an error in a World Championship book from 1954, we should now change the result?

No, I do not think so. Errors are subject as a matter of law to a Correction Period. Once that is over they become final.
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Posted 2010-February-14, 20:50

despite the brilliant comparison of a few minutes to 58 years, I have seen results changed the following day when a board scored across multiple sections was not the same in one of those sections --and someone only discovered this and reported same after taking the hand records home. but I am sure you are right that it should not have been changed.
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Posted 2010-February-15, 12:31

In the ACBL for many events the correction period extends to the next day, so it's possible that the changes were within the correction period.

From the regulations:

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Individual events, Pair events, and Team events such as Board-a-Match and Team-of-two-Pairs:
Players' Errors: For playthrough events, no increase in score will be granted unless the Directors' attention is called to an error prior to completion of play of the session following the one in which the error occurred and, for the last session, thirty minutes after that session.
Scorers' errors and decrease in score due to players' errors: For playthrough, single session and the finals of qualifying events, the correction period expires twenty-four hours after the completion of the event or thirty minutes after the completion of the last event of the tournament, whichever is earlier.
Qualifying Events (Other than final session(s)): The score correction period for scorer and player errors expires one hour before the announced starting time of the session following a qualification.
The appeal period for or of a Director's ruling expires thirty minutes after the completion of the session or at the announced starting time of the next session whichever is earlier.

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Posted 2010-February-15, 12:34

Of course the correction period should be made as long as it reasonably can be. Immediately is reasonable. 56 years is not reasonable. Where the cutoff goes in between those two time periods is a judgment call for those making the rules.

If the original question is asking what to do if the mistake is discovered exactly as the clock ticks from 'correction period' to 'not correction period', I say make the correction. In borderline cases we should be looking for reasons to make things correct, not reasons to leave them incorrect.
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Posted 2010-February-15, 17:09

The correction period can never begin before the official results have been published and made available to all participants. I know clubs having weekly meetings where this means that the correction period expires at least a week after the actual event.

Be also aware of Law 79C2: Regulations may provide for circumstances in which a scoring error may be corrected after expiry of the Correction Period if the Director and the Tournament Organizer are both satisfied beyond reasonable doubt that the record is wrong. (My enhancement)
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