[Fluffy]

Scoring: IMP

(1♠)-X-(ps)-2♣
(2♠)-X-(ps)-3♣
(ps)-3♦-(ps)-3♠
(ps)-4♠-(ps)-6♣
(ps)-(ps)-(ps)

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We had several missunderstandings here

not sure about other's but for us X then X and then 3♦ cannot be a pure 1 suiter, it is normally 1453 but 1363 or 0463 are possible.


south though 3♠ showed hald a stopper in spades while norht took it as a good diamond raise, maybe ♦Qxxx ♣Kxxx

north bid 4♠ as a COG, but south understood it as a void or something very very strong.

Both players agreed that 3♣ was an underbid and started the mess .

[Fluffy]

assing some blame

[gnasher]

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south though 3♠ showed hald a stopper in spades while norht took it as a good diamond raise, maybe ♦Qxxx ♣Kxxx

With 4-4 in the minors South should bid 2♦ not 2♣. And having bid 2♣, he'd bid 3♦ on the next round.

I think North just overbid. Doubling twice, bidding 3♦ and then bidding 4♠ sounds like at least x AKQJ AKJxx Axx. If both players agree that responder can't be as good as the hand he actually had, what was North hoping for when he bid 4♠?

[pooltuna]

Fluffy, on Feb 9 2010, 02:20 PM, said:

Scoring: IMP

(1♠)-X-(ps)-2♣
(2♠)-X-(ps)-3♣
(ps)-3♦-(ps)-3♠
(ps)-4♠-(ps)-6♣
(ps)-(ps)-(ps)

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We had several missunderstandings here

not sure about other's but for us X then X and then 3♦ cannot be a pure 1 suiter, it is normally 1453 but 1363 or 0463 are possible.


south though 3♠ showed hald a stopper in spades while norht took it as a good diamond raise, maybe ♦Qxxx ♣Kxxx

north bid 4♠ as a COG, but south understood it as a void or something very very strong.

Both players agreed that 3♣ was an underbid and started the mess .

at least you got to a makeable contract, assuming I counted right 1♠, 1♠ ruff 4♥, 1♦, 5♣

[PhantomSac]

3C is a gross underbid.

Honestly I think north probably has a pass of 3C. Where is he going? Even if partner has say xxx xx xxx Qxxxx, which is a nice hand, game is extremely bad.

Having bid 3D, when partner bids 3S north can obviously bid 3N on his stiff king now. If he had better spades he would have bid 3N already. 4S is just completely batshit crazy. North has a yarb for this auction, he should be trying to put on the breaks. What is this choice of games nonsense, north can just bid 4C if he has some clubs.

South's 6C bid was obvious at that point.

[ArtK78]

pooltuna, on Feb 9 2010, 04:15 PM, said:

Fluffy, on Feb 9 2010, 02:20 PM, said:

Scoring: IMP

(1♠)-X-(ps)-2♣
(2♠)-X-(ps)-3♣
(ps)-3♦-(ps)-3♠
(ps)-4♠-(ps)-6♣
(ps)-(ps)-(ps)

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We had several missunderstandings here

not sure about other's but for us X then X and then 3♦ cannot be a pure 1 suiter, it is normally 1453 but 1363 or 0463 are possible.


south though 3♠ showed hald a stopper in spades while norht took it as a good diamond raise, maybe ♦Qxxx ♣Kxxx

north bid 4♠ as a COG, but south understood it as a void or something very very strong.

Both players agreed that 3♣ was an underbid and started the mess .

at least you got to a makeable contract, assuming I counted right 1♠, 1♠ ruff 4♥, 1♦, 5♣

Unless I missed something, a diamond lead will certainly beat 6♣. And even on a spade lead, you are going to need a spade ruff and a successful ruffing finesse and bringing in the club suit for no losers to make 6♣.

Not exactly the best contract I have ever seen.

[jdonn]

I agree that 3♣ was an underbid and maybe it's also true that north should pass 3♣ but I think the worst bid was 4♠. If north is bypassing 3NT anyway then just going back to 4♣ is plenty, you don't have any unshown values. I think north is more than a king short, with K AKQJ AKJxx Axx 4♠ is still an overbid given the 3♣-only bid.

Btw slam is quite terrible. A diamond lead usually beats it. A trump lead usually beats it since after spade, another trump, spade ruff there is no way back to south's hand. In fact I don't think it's very good on any lead, even something like ace of spades lead and heart switch it's going to be difficult to get a spade ruff and draw trumps.

[Siegmund]

Assign some blame:

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south though 3♠ showed hald a stopper in spades while norht took it as a good diamond raise, maybe ♦Qxxx ♣Kxxx

How can North possibly think South has a second 4-card suit after 2C-then-3C? Biggest mistake of the auction IMO. North needs to accept that clubs are trumps after 3C. Ask for a spade stopper, or just raise to 5C, or SOMEthing. Not sure what I think 3D should be - 4-6 reds maybe?

3C is a modest underbid -- but North would probably double a second time with a far weaker 1453 hand.

[gnasher]

Siegmund, on Feb 10 2010, 01:41 AM, said:

North needs to accept that clubs are trumps after 3C. Ask for a spade stopper, or just raise to 5C, or SOMEthing. Not sure what I think 3D should be - 4-6 reds maybe?

What would South have done with xxx xxx xxx xxxx?

[Codo]

As other have said before:
3 ♣ was a big underbid and it seems as if declarer tried to make up for this bad bid by bidding 6 clubs later.

North did fine till 3 ♦. If he had understood 3 ♠, 3 NT seems pretty easy.
If he had not, he should have bid 4 ♣, no matter what this shows: He has a control for diamonds and he has a club fit.
To me, 4 ♠ shows his hand with a spade void and the king of diamonds extra.

[hanp]

Codo, on Feb 10 2010, 04:59 AM, said:

As other have said before:
3 ♣ was a big underbid and it seems as if declarer tried to make up for this bad bid by bidding 6 clubs later.

Erm, did you notice that his partner bid 4S in between?

[Codo]

hanp, on Feb 10 2010, 08:01 PM, said:

Codo, on Feb 10 2010, 04:59 AM, said:

As other have said before:
3 ♣ was a big underbid and it seems as if declarer tried to make up for this bad bid by bidding 6 clubs later.

Erm, did you notice that his partner bid 4S in between?

U R right. 5 ♣ would be ridicolous after 4 ♠.

[Fluffy]

well I forgot to say 3♦ might be 2353 also.

Slam was indeed makeable after ♦K lead but it was very double dummy

Thx fot the replies, I was south this time, and the reason I underbid so much is because I didn't like my chances on any game, I don't remember exactly what I though but it seemed like both 3NT and 5♣ were very far away at that time with only 8 clubs fit.