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#1 User is offline   karlson 

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Posted 2010-February-04, 20:35

AT9xxxx KQx Qx x

r/r imps, partner deals.

1-(5) to you.
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Posted 2010-February-04, 21:15

5 only for me.
OK
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Posted 2010-February-05, 00:59

5S, x is not as bad as it seems but I still wouldn't do it.
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Posted 2010-February-05, 01:08

pass..sigh......give up. at 5 level.
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Posted 2010-February-05, 01:20

5S
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Posted 2010-February-05, 01:21

double
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Posted 2010-February-05, 09:57

PhantomSac, on Feb 5 2010, 02:21 AM, said:

double

oh you flipped a coin and it came up tails! (heads=5, tails=X) :P
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Posted 2010-February-05, 10:08

5. WDRHO. I hate u.
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Posted 2010-February-05, 10:21

I know I would bid 5 so I suppose I should vote for that. I'm usually the first to stand up for the flexibility of the double in these positions but, well, I do have a 7 card major.
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Posted 2010-February-05, 10:25

mike777, on Feb 5 2010, 02:08 AM, said:

pass..sigh......give up. at 5 level.

lol

so many posts, so many cliches, so little else...
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Posted 2010-February-05, 10:42

5 and I think I'm closer to 6 than to dbl.
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Posted 2010-February-05, 10:45

And here I am, very worried 5 will be doubled. Good grief.
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Posted 2010-February-05, 10:58

jdonn, on Feb 5 2010, 11:45 AM, said:

And here I am, very worried 5 will be doubled. Good grief.

IMO a rational fear given the wide range of possible results for 5 while X is in a pretty narrow "take the money and run" window.
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Posted 2010-February-05, 12:08

I kibbed this hand in a team match on BBO. I was sure that I would have bid 5, but Michael Rosenberg doubled, and was right, as no one can come close to making anything. http://tinyurl.com/ygfmf5v
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Posted 2010-February-05, 12:31

pooltuna, on Feb 5 2010, 10:57 AM, said:

PhantomSac, on Feb 5 2010, 02:21 AM, said:

double

oh you flipped a coin and it came up tails! (heads=5, tails=X) :)

I think 5S is pretty poor but since everyone is bidding it I guess it's not. It wouldn't occur to me to bid my 3 loser suit with no aces on the side at the 5 level rather than just take a plus score.

What I said to clee is that if RHO's side suit is hearts or diamonds, we will likely get 500 from a double anyways (unless LHO has like 3 trumps + shortness, in which case Xing could be a disaster). If RHOs side suit is spades we don't want to bid 5S obv. If RHO has 9 clubs then X will probably only net 200, but again I don't see why it's so sure we would make 5S.

At the end of the day things are gonna break terribly and our hand just isn't very good. Admittedly I am always in the "take the plus" camp and can't remember ever bidding 5M in this situation.

Sometimes you lose a double game swing by doubling, if partner is also short in clubs and they can score like 8 trumps + 2 ruffs + a trick and you were cold though. But sometimes you go for a number in 5S when partner is short and LHO insta cracks you, and I think that is a more likely disaster.

Most of the time I just see us having +500 or +200 and going minus a lot of the time by bidding.
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