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#1 User is offline   fachiru 

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Posted 2010-February-02, 11:31



Prd. in E opens 1♦ and it goes X to you:
1D-X-?

Your plan? If scoring makes a difference to you, let's say it's MPs.
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Posted 2010-February-02, 11:35

2♣ for now
OK
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Posted 2010-February-02, 12:30

i agree with the awesome post above me.
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Posted 2010-February-02, 12:34

Easy 2♣ bid now, the problems will arise later.
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Posted 2010-February-02, 12:48

If we play negative free bids 2♣

If we don't play negative free bids, then 2♣
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Posted 2010-February-03, 01:33

Fluffy, on Feb 3 2010, 03:48 AM, said:

If we play negative free bids 2♣

If we don't play negative free bids, then 2♣

Nice, yes
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Posted 2010-February-03, 11:25

fachiru, on Feb 2 2010, 12:31 PM, said:



Prd. in E opens 1♦ and it goes X to you:
1D-X-?

Your plan? If scoring makes a difference to you, let's say it's MPs.

XX. Don't bother to tell me this is a horrible call I don't want to hear it. For me it is a tactical call that will help partner decide what to do with the hand when I bid some number of ♣
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Posted 2010-February-03, 11:42

2♣. XX is a horrible call :P

And isn't "it will help partner decide what to do when I finish describing my hand" the opposite of a tactical call?
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Posted 2010-February-03, 12:22

I can sort of understand the redouble, as he wants to distinguish between a bad hand bidding 2♣ on club length only and a good hand with club length.

However, given that your next bid may be at the 5 level, and given that your "good" hand is not really very good, it is impractical to redouble with the expectation that you will be able to bid your clubs at a low level.

This would be a more interesting problem if the hearts were AJx instead of Jxx. Now 2♣ would be inadequate unless you play it as forcing.
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Posted 2010-February-03, 12:27

Yes this is why so many good players have switched to transfers after takeout doubles. They can show their suit and then act again to whatever extent their hand warrants rather than have to pervert the redouble.
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Posted 2010-February-03, 12:46

1NT, xfer to clubs. If not, 2C.
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Posted 2010-February-04, 04:33

3♣ for me. I don't care much for what pard makes of it, since it's more important to shut out the majors, given opps might very well make 3M on 17-18 hcp and a 9 card fit.
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Posted 2010-February-04, 09:44

2♣, a redouble is just wrong.
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Posted 2010-February-04, 09:45

Agree with Ben, impertinent to mention your 7-card suit.
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Posted 2010-February-04, 10:07

If I would bid 3♣ I would care if partner takes it as one of the many meanings that promise a diamond fit.
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Posted 2010-February-04, 11:21

jdonn, on Feb 3 2010, 11:27 AM, said:

Yes this is why so many good players have switched to transfers after takeout doubles. They can show their suit and then act again to whatever extent their hand warrants rather than have to pervert the redouble.

Interesting --we play xfers/ 1MX, but have rejected Xfers/1mx. I assumed that others had also rejected it. It would seem to only have value in the given hand (diamond opening with responder having club length) and would be awkward in all other, more frequent situations (since 1/1 is still forcing for one round anyway) --unless your partnership already uses xfer responses to 1C without the double.
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