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Vul against not, imps
♠x
♥Jxx
♦QJ
♣QJTxxxx
(1♠) p (4NT) 5♣
(p) ?
undisclosed 7-card support is it worth a raise?
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Posted 2010-February-02, 09:31
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Posted 2010-February-02, 09:39
I'll pass.
One of the opps has to have a ♣ void.
If LHO is bidding 4NT with a void, ....
RHO's pass probably shows 1 ace if they play D0P1.
They don't know yet that they can live with a missing ♣A and I won't tell them.
If they bid on I can still bid 6 or 7 ♣.
One of the opps has to have a ♣ void.
If LHO is bidding 4NT with a void, ....
RHO's pass probably shows 1 ace if they play D0P1.
They don't know yet that they can live with a missing ♣A and I won't tell them.
If they bid on I can still bid 6 or 7 ♣.
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Posted 2010-February-02, 10:46
Maybe partner is the one with the club void. 
I have seen stranger things. He bid 5♣ for the lead against a spade contract, planning to run to his long red suit if doubled.
In any event, I pass.
I have seen stranger things. He bid 5♣ for the lead against a spade contract, planning to run to his long red suit if doubled.
In any event, I pass.
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Posted 2010-February-02, 10:48
I never passed with 7 card support in my life and I am not starting today. This is a very simple-minded and flawed approach to bridge I guess but at least it deters partners from bidding 5♣ on AKx and out and think they are being funny.
... and I can prove it with my usual, flawless logic.
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Posted 2010-February-02, 11:39
vul against not? lol. i'll raise to 6.
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Posted 2010-February-02, 11:41
Pass. Partner has a club void.
and the result can be plotted on a graph.
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Posted 2010-February-02, 11:53
too many indicators that pard is void in clubs.
"Bidding Spades to show spades can work well." (Kenberg)
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Posted 2010-February-02, 11:53
I too think p is the one with the void - pass
"Pass is your friend" - my brother in law - who likes to bid a lot.
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Posted 2010-February-02, 12:07
Apollo81, on Feb 2 2010, 10:31 AM, said:
Vul against not, imps
♠x
♥Jxx
♦QJ
♣QJTxxxx
(1♠) p (4NT) 5♣
(p) ?
♠x
♥Jxx
♦QJ
♣QJTxxxx
(1♠) p (4NT) 5♣
(p) ?
Hmm... pard is either massively two suited with longer clubs or has a ♣ void is hoping I have a sense of humour.
However, I don't think that the latter explanation carries much weight since a lightner X conveys the message if they do bid slam.
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Posted 2010-February-02, 12:09
A massive 2-suiter and the longest suit has 6 cards headed by the ace-king-empty? Vul against not? I don't think so. And there's also the fact that it doesn't sound like both opponents have a club void.
and the result can be plotted on a graph.
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Posted 2010-February-02, 12:12
why can you infer they both dont have a club void, han?
i infered they don't have any agreement about what to do, and therefore probably are bad enough to keycard with voids, etc.
i infered they don't have any agreement about what to do, and therefore probably are bad enough to keycard with voids, etc.
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Posted 2010-February-02, 12:31
Yeah I'd pass, it's not like bidding 6C now gains much, it takes some room away from them for trying to 7 and that's about it.
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Posted 2010-February-02, 12:32
ArtK78, on Feb 2 2010, 05:46 PM, said:
Maybe partner is the one with the club void.
I hope that the original poster would have said, if he had a random partner or one with creative ideas.
But you' re right I thought for a moment that the void could be held by a future ex-partner.
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Posted 2010-February-02, 12:36
hotShot, on Feb 2 2010, 01:32 PM, said:
I hope that the original poster would have said, if he had a random partner or one with creative ideas.
That would have spoiled it. BTW, CHO didn't have a club void
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Posted 2010-February-02, 12:59
Partner might have 5 clubs and 6 hearts for example and is willing to show both suits.
Also LHO might be a joker here given the vulnerability.
I'd pass for now.
Also LHO might be a joker here given the vulnerability.
I'd pass for now.
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Posted 2010-February-02, 13:04
Fluffy, on Feb 2 2010, 01:59 PM, said:
Partner might have 5 clubs and 6 hearts for example and is willing to show both suits.
Isn't that more than a bit nuts? At what level is partner going to be able to later show the longer hearts?
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Posted 2010-February-02, 15:14
lol, what the ***** is going on. 
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Posted 2010-February-02, 16:02
Followup question for the passers: what are you doing over each of the following:
1. 5♠-P-P
2. 5♠-X-P
3. 6♠-P-P
4. 6♠-X-P
1. 5♠-P-P
2. 5♠-X-P
3. 6♠-P-P
4. 6♠-X-P
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Posted 2010-February-02, 16:51
1) pass, I don't want to drive the to a making slam.
2) 6♣, sorry partner but your ♣ tricks won't make.
3) pass, going down is too expensive since they are white and we are red
4) 7♣, now we can afford down 4 (may be down 5 is not a catastrophe) if they are making and partner should have more than ♣AK. Hope they make and are not overbidding.
2) 6♣, sorry partner but your ♣ tricks won't make.
3) pass, going down is too expensive since they are white and we are red
4) 7♣, now we can afford down 4 (may be down 5 is not a catastrophe) if they are making and partner should have more than ♣AK. Hope they make and are not overbidding.
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Posted 2010-February-02, 16:54
I voted pass and now four more passes - are they off, making seven, don't know.