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KQT65 98765 2 82 What to bid in later auction?

Poll: What would you call in the auction given in first post? (32 member(s) have cast votes)

What would you call in the auction given in first post?

  1. pass (23 votes [71.88%])

    Percentage of vote: 71.88%

  2. x (3 votes [9.38%])

    Percentage of vote: 9.38%

  3. 4S (4 votes [12.50%])

    Percentage of vote: 12.50%

  4. the insane assylum (2 votes [6.25%])

    Percentage of vote: 6.25%

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#1 User is offline   Elianna 

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Posted 2010-January-29, 14:40

Scoring: MP


Auction proceeds:

(1♦) pass (1♥) 1♠;
(pass) 2♥ (x) pass;
(3♥) 3♠ (4♥) ???

You have no special agreements in this auction as to the difference between 2♦ and 2♥ and what pass means over 2♥x. Even if you wouldn't bid this way, if you were plopped into this auction, what would you bid at this point?
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Posted 2010-January-29, 14:45

Pass.

I have a reasonable expectation of beating 4♥ on a spade lead, but I have no idea how many tricks we are making in spades.

If partner cannot bid 4♠ on his own after I overcalled 1♠ on this "hand," then we are probably not making 4♠.
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Posted 2010-January-29, 15:22

Pass for me also.
OK
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Posted 2010-January-29, 15:27

Pass
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Posted 2010-January-29, 18:20

I'm doubling because I don't want partner to bid 4♠.

codo said:

It is a fact that most people here write as if their opinion is a dogmatic fact.

eugene hung said:

My opinion is that this ought to win the award for best self-referential quote of the new year.
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Posted 2010-January-29, 19:42

Dirk Kuijt, on Jan 29 2010, 07:20 PM, said:

I'm doubling because I don't want partner to bid 4♠.

You realize you have 0 tricks, right?
OK
bed
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Posted 2010-January-29, 20:05

I'm passing because I don't want partner to laugh at me.
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Posted 2010-January-29, 22:04

Well, the 5 trumps should have some nuisance value ;)

More to the point, if partner's 2♥ bid meant something specific, like a limit raise in spades, then I'm clearly passing. I've already (over)bid my hand, and partner has bid his hand (and won't take action over 4♠). But, if partner's 2♥ bid was general strength, which is what the OP said, then I think I'm closer to beating 4♥ than making 4♠, and partner will do *something* over 4♥. IOW, I'm playing partner for general strength and a shape like 3-1-4-5, rather than a heart void and 4-0-4-5. If partner has that hand, he should raise spades to whatever level he thinks is appropriate, instead of messing around with a cue bid.

codo said:

It is a fact that most people here write as if their opinion is a dogmatic fact.

eugene hung said:

My opinion is that this ought to win the award for best self-referential quote of the new year.
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Posted 2010-January-29, 22:22

P=partner is still there
A=Assinine to bid
S=See P and A above
S=Surely this is wtp?
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Posted 2010-January-29, 23:11

Dirk Kuijt, on Jan 29 2010, 11:04 PM, said:

But, if partner's 2♥ bid was general strength, which is what the OP said

wat?
OK
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Posted 2010-January-29, 23:17

Dirk Kuijt, on Jan 29 2010, 11:04 PM, said:

Well, the 5 trumps should have some nuisance value ;)

More to the point, if partner's 2♥ bid meant something specific, like a limit raise in spades, then I'm clearly passing. I've already (over)bid my hand, and partner has bid his hand (and won't take action over 4♠). But, if partner's 2♥ bid was general strength, which is what the OP said, then I think I'm closer to beating 4♥ than making 4♠, and partner will do *something* over 4♥. IOW, I'm playing partner for general strength and a shape like 3-1-4-5, rather than a heart void and 4-0-4-5. If partner has that hand, he should raise spades to whatever level he thinks is appropriate, instead of messing around with a cue bid.

Why will partner do something over 4H? He bid 3S non forcing, there is no reason to think he will bid 4S now.
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Posted 2010-January-29, 23:19

Btw glad to see no complaints about 1♠, I love that bid.
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Posted 2010-January-30, 01:43

jdonn, on Jan 29 2010, 09:19 PM, said:

Btw glad to see no complaints about 1♠, I love that bid.

Don't know if you're being sarcastic or not, but there were two votes for the insane assylum, which I intended as an option for commenting on my first bid.
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Posted 2010-January-30, 02:39

I'd have overcalled 2♠. If that's not your partnership style, 1♠ is fine. Overcalls don't promise anything any more.
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Posted 2010-January-30, 12:19

Elianna, on Jan 30 2010, 02:43 AM, said:

jdonn, on Jan 29 2010, 09:19 PM, said:

Btw glad to see no complaints about 1♠, I love that bid.

Don't know if you're being sarcastic or not, but there were two votes for the insane assylum, which I intended as an option for commenting on my first bid.

I believe he was sincere. I like 1♠ also. He can correct me and laugh at me if I'm wrong :unsure:
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Posted 2010-January-30, 15:06

I passed.

I was playing with a UCLA student at an evening (normal) club game in a rather weak field consisting of three tables.

The full hand was:

something like this...


I led the ♠K, it held. I then led a low spade, ruffed in dummy. Declarer then played diamonds, which my partner won and played back another, which I ruffed.

Then the funny thing happened: I played another spade, declarer ruffed on the table, and then pitched the ♥2 from her hand! For some reason dummy elects not to say anything (this is ACBL so he could ask), and at the end of the hand, declarer has an extra spade loser, plus the revoke trick! down 4! For an average board. If I had doubled, I would have saved 1/2 a matchpoint, tying another table playing in 4♥x-4. It was rather amusing.
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Posted 2010-January-30, 15:45

4♠. We got a SST of -3.. you don't see that every day :)
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Posted 2010-February-01, 04:16

Dirk Kuijt, on Jan 30 2010, 09:20 AM, said:

I'm doubling because I don't want partner to bid 4♠.

This is a mega agreement I have too.

But this holds not true in this hand. Partner has a heart chicane and some high card values but still did not splinter. So he holds at most 3 trumps and some values in the minors. He will not bid 4 spade here as a sacrifice.
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Posted 2010-February-01, 08:32

Codo, on Feb 1 2010, 05:16 AM, said:

This is a mega agreement I have.

Time for another gnasher thread
and the result can be plotted on a graph.
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