[bftboy]

Scoring: MP

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After 3♥ on your right, what is your call?

If you choose dbl, what will you do with P's most probable responses?

[karlson]

I would bid 3n, since it's the most likely game and this may to be our only chance to get there.

If I did double, I would bid 3n over 3s, pass 4d or 4s, and raise 4c to game.

[aguahombre]

karlson, on Jan 27 2010, 03:50 PM, said:

I would bid 3n, since it's the most likely game and this may to be our only chance to get there.

If I did double, I would bid 3n over 3s, pass 4d or 4s, and raise 4c to game.

yep. And I would probably be wrong raising 4C.

[jdonn]

I would double, since that precludes 3NT less than overcalling 3NT precludes everything else. Certainly if partner has 5 spades it's likely we would rather play in spades than notrump.

[655321]

3NT for me.

[Edit] Sorry, I misread the problem, I thought it was a 3♦ Opening, and I was wondering why on earth anyone would double...

I double a 3♥ opening too.

This post has been edited by 655321: 2010-January-27, 19:22

[Fluffy]

double wtp for me, ♥Ax would be very different history.

[aguahombre]

Fluffy, on Jan 27 2010, 06:18 PM, said:

double wtp for me, ♥Ax would be very different history.

hmm.. I was thinking backwards from this --that AX of hearts would weigh in favor of doubling.

[Fluffy]

I think that being able to duck a heart is very vey important in 3NT

[aguahombre]

Fluffy, on Jan 27 2010, 11:17 PM, said:

I think that being able to duck a heart is very vey important in 3NT

True enough, if the remaining 4 hearts are split 2-2 having the ace is better for notrump than having the king. Any other distribution of the remaining hearts is irrelevent for NT play. However, for suit play (possible after a double), the Ace will score, while KX might be two fast losers, and therefore making the double less attractive.

[whereagles]

I think this is really a 3NT wtp... lol

[Fluffy]

aguahombre, on Jan 28 2010, 06:42 AM, said:

Fluffy, on Jan 27 2010, 11:17 PM, said:

I think that being able to duck a heart is very vey important in 3NT

True enough, if the remaining 4 hearts are split 2-2 having the ace is better for notrump than having the king. Any other distribution of the remaining hearts is irrelevent for NT play. However, for suit play (possible after a double), the Ace will score, while KX might be two fast losers, and therefore making the double less attractive.

mmm true, seems like I am a coward who is already thinking on how many downs we go

[gnasher]

Double looks normal.

[Jlall]

I'd X

[bftboy]

karlson, on Jan 27 2010, 05:50 PM, said:

If I did double, I would bid 3n over 3s, pass 4d or 4s, and raise 4c to game.

do people generally agree with these options after a dbl, esp. with correcting 3♠ to 3NT?

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

3NT.

Obviously X is the alternative given your poor stopper, but as they say
"Bidding 3NT is a dirty job, and someone has to do it."

If I X, I will raise any suit bid to game, and will pass a 3NT response.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[P_Marlowe]

jdonn, on Jan 27 2010, 07:18 PM, said:

I would double, since that precludes 3NT less than overcalling 3NT precludes everything else. Certainly if partner has 5 spades it's likely we would rather play in spades than notrump.

If p has 5 spades, we still can play 4S, if we overcall 3NT, espesially,
if partner knowes, that our stopper could be poor.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[hotShot]

I think X is the way to go, this way we will learn something about partners shape.

[jdonn]

P_Marlowe, on Jan 28 2010, 02:51 PM, said:

jdonn, on Jan 27 2010, 07:18 PM, said:

I would double, since that precludes 3NT less than overcalling 3NT precludes everything else. Certainly if partner has 5 spades it's likely we would rather play in spades than notrump.

If p has 5 spades, we still can play 4S, if we overcall 3NT, espesially,
if partner knowes, that our stopper could be poor.

With kind regards
Marlowe

How does he know we aren't 1237 with a solid minor? Overcalling 3NT doesn't promise a balanced hand, partner usually won't even pull with 6 spades.

[P_Marlowe]

jdonn, on Jan 28 2010, 03:25 PM, said:

P_Marlowe, on Jan 28 2010, 02:51 PM, said:

jdonn, on Jan 27 2010, 07:18 PM, said:

I would double, since that precludes 3NT less than overcalling 3NT precludes everything else. Certainly if partner has 5 spades it's likely we would rather play in spades than notrump.

If p has 5 spades, we still can play 4S, if we overcall 3NT, espesially,
if partner knowes, that our stopper could be poor.

With kind regards
Marlowe

How does he know we aren't 1237 with a solid minor? Overcalling 3NT doesn't promise a balanced hand, partner usually won't even pull with 6 spades.

I would expect him to pull, and personnally I promise a (semi) bal. hand,
but I agree, that a lot depends on what hands one expects to overcall 3NT
or not.
If my p has the 7321 shape (I checked, the cross sum is 13), and I pull, he
will know what to do.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[Jlall]

P_Marlowe, on Jan 28 2010, 03:41 PM, said:

jdonn, on Jan 28 2010, 03:25 PM, said:

P_Marlowe, on Jan 28 2010, 02:51 PM, said:

jdonn, on Jan 27 2010, 07:18 PM, said:

I would double, since that precludes 3NT less than overcalling 3NT precludes everything else. Certainly if partner has 5 spades it's likely we would rather play in spades than notrump.

If p has 5 spades, we still can play 4S, if we overcall 3NT, espesially,
if partner knowes, that our stopper could be poor.

With kind regards
Marlowe

How does he know we aren't 1237 with a solid minor? Overcalling 3NT doesn't promise a balanced hand, partner usually won't even pull with 6 spades.

I would expect him to pull, and personnally I promise a (semi) bal. hand,
but I agree, that a lot depends on what hands one expects to overcall 3NT
or not.
If my p has the 7321 shape (I checked, the cross sum is 13), and I pull, he
will know what to do.

With kind regards
Marlowe

lol, yeah I'm sure he'll just go back to 3N if you pull 3N...