[OleBerg]

I am going to face the following preempt:

2♦ = Weak in hearts, or strong something.

These bids are more or less defined:

X = strenght
2♠, 2nt, 3♣, 3♦ = Natural, limited
3♠ = Strong with spades, forcing.
3nt = To play.
4♣ = 5-5 in clubs and spades.
4♦ = 5-5 in diamonds and spades.
4♠ = To play. A decent hand fearing partner might pass a 2♠ overcall.

What to use 2♥, 3♥ and 4♥ for.

My own idees would be:

2♥ = Perfect takeout, limited.
3♥ = Preemptive.
4♥ = 4 spades and a long minor.

Comments? (And plz no rap for the 3♠/4♠, we can take that in another thread.)

[gnasher]

You've been rather more detailed than I think you need to be. Essentially you're playing against a 2♦ opening which shows a weak two in hearts.

I'd just play:
- Everything above 2♥ is exactly what it would have been over a natural weak 2♥.
- 2♥ is a takeout double of hearts
- Double is a balanced hand, either too weak for 2NT or too strong for 2NT

If you believe in leaving nothing undiscussed, you could add:
- Pass and double is takeout but weaker.
- Pass and bid is natural but weaker.
- Pass and 2NT is both minors.

[Fluffy]

I'd rather play 4♥ as natural, chaces of the raptor thing showing up and being right are slim and if someone forgets its a big disaster.

Also X contains too many hands while 2♥ contains too few, standard is to balance those 2 more or less as gnasher suggests.

[OleBerg]

gnasher, on Jan 27 2010, 03:37 PM, said:

You've been rather more detailed than I think you need to be.  Essentially you're playing against a 2♦ opening which shows a weak two in hearts.

I'd just play:
- Everything above 2♥ is exactly what it would have been over a natural weak 2♥.
- 2♥ is a takeout double of hearts
- Double is a balanced hand, either too weak for 2NT or too strong for 2NT

Basically thats what I am doing.

My only real doubt is the 3♥ bid. Normally we would play it as asking for stopper (maybe not the best, just a general agreement), but I considered that preemptive might be better, but I was far from certain. The other descriptions was just so that the whole complex would be known.

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If you believe in leaving nothing undiscussed, you could add:
- Pass and double is takeout but weaker.
- Pass and bid is natural but weaker.
- Pass and 2NT is both minors.

Thank you fpr replying.

[Jlall]

I would still play stopper ask

[MFA]

Hi Ole

We play:
X= take-out of hearts
2♥= michaels
anything else as over a 2♥ opening.

2♦-X-2♥-X is penalty.

[dake50]

I'd play 2H as weak in H, or strong something.