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#1 User is offline   mike777 

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Posted 2010-January-23, 20:34

Scoring: MP

(3H)=P=P=X
P=P=P





(3H)=P=P=X
P=P=P


NORTH MADE 3HX.
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Posted 2010-January-23, 20:41

I think West's double is close. I would pass, but I expect I am in the minority. I disagree with East's pass, I would have bid 4♦. Making is a bit unlucky, but I think +100 instead of +130/150 is reasonably likely.
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Posted 2010-January-23, 21:02

This is a completely routine auction for me... 1000 % agree with both actions
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Posted 2010-January-23, 21:05

west's action is a wtp to me, would act even with a king less.

pass decision is right in my views althou a somehow closer still no alternative.
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Posted 2010-January-23, 21:29

Jlall, on Jan 23 2010, 10:02 PM, said:

This is a completely routine auction for me... 1000 % agree with both actions

this deal up made me wonder if top players such as yourself pull these auctions often or sit. ty for your response.

I will do a fuller report after a few more responses.
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Posted 2010-January-23, 21:37

Fluffy, on Jan 23 2010, 08:05 PM, said:

west's action is a wtp to me, would act even with a king less.

pass decision is right in my views althou a somehow closer still no alternative.

You would really double with

♠ Q754
♥ Q3
♦ Q852
♣ KQ6
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Posted 2010-January-23, 21:40

Really normal actions by both hands, I would also duplicate this auction at IMPs with less confidence.
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Posted 2010-January-23, 22:40

I think the actions are so close that it's hard to be objective knowing the result. I can definitely believe I would duplicate both.
Please let me know about any questions or interest or bug reports about GIB.
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Posted 2010-January-24, 00:29

Double. Mike Lawrence recommends doubling 3H with QT87 3 A987 KJ42 in the balancing seat. He also recommends doubling 3S with 83 KQ87 942 AQJ5.


4D. I use Mel Colchamiro's Rule of 9 which says...

Add # of cards in opponent's suit
Add # of honor cards (including ten) in opponent's suit
Add level of contract

If 9 or more, pass
If 8 or less, bid something

So 4 + 0 + 3 = 7.
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Posted 2010-January-24, 01:10

straube, on Jan 24 2010, 01:29 AM, said:

Double. Mike Lawrence recommends doubling 3H with QT87 3 A987 KJ42 in the balancing seat. He also recommends doubling 3S with 83 KQ87 942 AQJ5.


4D. I use Mel Colchamiro's Rule of 9 which says...

Add # of cards in opponent's suit
Add # of honor cards (including ten) in opponent's suit
Add level of contract

If 9 or more, pass
If 8 or less, bid something

So 4 + 0 + 3 = 7.

interesting ty for post
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Posted 2010-January-24, 03:16

jdonn, on Jan 23 2010, 11:40 PM, said:

I think the actions are so close that it's hard to be objective knowing the result. I can definitely believe I would duplicate both.

What really? Did you see that it was matchpoints? I honestly can't imagine you doing anything else
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Posted 2010-January-24, 03:18

straube, on Jan 24 2010, 07:29 AM, said:

Add # of cards in opponent's suit
Add # of honor cards (including ten) in opponent's suit
Add level of contract

If 9 or more, pass
If 8 or less, bid something

I think this rule needs to be tempered with some judgement, Axx KJx xxx xxxx gives 3 + 2 + 3 = 8, but taking out the double would be strange.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2010-January-24, 04:08

Also I would double routinely in 4th seat on xxxx, x, xxxx, xxxx, you know partner has the world's biggest penalty double as he has a 16+ count and hasn't bid. It's more dangerous if you have a bit more and aren't sure he has a hand, but the shorter I am in the suit opened, the more I'm inclined to find the double, and have got good results many times finding this double on 8 or 9 counts with a stiff/void heart.

I agree with both actions at the table.
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Posted 2010-January-24, 06:28

mike777, on Jan 23 2010, 09:34 PM, said:

Scoring: MP

(3H)=P=P=X
P=P=P





(3H)=P=P=X
P=P=P


NORTH MADE 3HX.

East or West, whoever forgot to make a timely alms payment to the BG :)
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Posted 2010-January-24, 11:34

I didn't see it was matchpoints. I was thinking I would pass the double as east at IMPs but I wouldn't double as west. At matchpoints I think 3HX is a fine spot.
and the result can be plotted on a graph.
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Posted 2010-January-24, 12:55

gnasher, on Jan 24 2010, 04:18 AM, said:

straube, on Jan 24 2010, 07:29 AM, said:

Add # of cards in opponent's suit
Add # of honor cards (including ten) in opponent's suit
Add level of contract

If 9 or more, pass
If 8 or less, bid something

I think this rule needs to be tempered with some judgement, Axx KJx xxx xxxx gives 3 + 2 + 3 = 8, but taking out the double would be strange.

I agree with you about using your own judgment. I still think his rule is useful.
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Posted 2010-January-24, 13:10

Jlall, on Jan 24 2010, 04:16 AM, said:

jdonn, on Jan 23 2010, 11:40 PM, said:

I think the actions are so close that it's hard to be objective knowing the result. I can definitely believe I would duplicate both.

What really? Did you see that it was matchpoints? I honestly can't imagine you doing anything else

Actually no I didn't lol. This is probably minority to say btw, but I'm closer to passing with west than not-passing the double with east.
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Posted 2010-January-24, 18:15

jdonn, on Jan 24 2010, 08:10 PM, said:

This is probably minority to say btw, but I'm closer to passing with west than not-passing the double with east.

I agree with that. West is aceless and balanced, and ♥Qx is bad for both offence and defence.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2010-January-25, 05:58

I join the loud chorus that x and pass are 1000% at mps.
At imps I still had passed a double- but I had not doubled to begin with...
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Posted 2010-January-25, 06:06

Hi,

I am not 100% sure, I would have made the reopening X with the
west hand, espesially given Qx in hearts, but I am 100% against it.
If the X is combatible with your agreed partnership style, than I
would say "***** happens".

I think passing it out is more or less clear.

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