[ochinko]

Imps, all white, partner deals and opens 1♦. You have

Scoring: IMP

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You bid 1♥, and partner bids 2♠. If undo and pass is not an option how do now you curb your partner's enthusiasm?

[jjbrr]

If you have 2NT conventional available with one option being "slow down, partner" I would bid that.

If not, I guess you're stuck bidding 3♦

[the hog]

Serves you right for bidding 1H on that rubbish. Agree with a conventional 2NT, otherwise 3D.

[gwnn]

the thread title reminded me of The Devil's Advocate movie when Charlize Theron told Neo "HE DID THIS TO MEEEE" and Neo said no, you're insane, you did this to yourself.

I agree with the Hog and the awesome avatar.

[kenrexford]

I'd respond 1♥ and then bid 2NT conventionally.

[nigel_k]

I agree with the 1♥ response and bid 3♦ now. If given the option with the benefit of hindsight, I would not choose to take 1♥ back as game could easily make. Partner would have bid 1♠ on many of the hands where it doesn't.

In this sequence I'd prefer not to play 2NT as conventional showing any weak hand. Why risk wrongsiding 3NT when opener's range is defined fairly closely so we don't need to use the space to find out more about strength?

[the hog]

nigel_k, on Jan 25 2010, 09:31 AM, said:

I agree with the 1♥ response and bid 3♦ now. If given the option with the benefit of hindsight, I would not choose to take 1♥ back as game could easily make. Partner would have bid 1♠ on many of the hands where it doesn't.

In this sequence I'd prefer not to play 2NT as conventional showing any weak hand. Why risk wrongsiding 3NT when opener's range is defined fairly closely so we don't need to use the space to find out more about strength?

I think you are missing the point of the 2NT bid, Nigel. It is not to find out opener's range, but rather to allow you to stop in 3D, (or 3H on other hands with longer Hs), where responder has rubbish as in the posted hand. Such a "blackout" bid, forcing 3C is common in many partnerships.

[straube]

The knr for Qx QJxxx xxx xxx is 3.4. Too weak to respond imo.

After 1D-1H, 2S I like 2N. This bid leaves the most room for partner to describe his shape.

But shouldn't I show a diamond fit?

I don't think so. It's kind of like using 1N forcing to give partner a bad 3-card raise of his major. Partner doesn't know if I have a bad hand or bad support (or both) but he's discouraged from bidding more.

With xxx of diamonds and a subpar hand, I don't want to encourage partner to explore slam (perhaps subsiding in 5D) when 3N is our best spot.

[mike777]

ochinko, on Jan 24 2010, 02:59 PM, said:

Imps, all white, partner deals and opens 1♦. You have

Scoring: IMP

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You bid 1♥, and partner bids 2♠. If undo and pass is not an option how do now you curb your partner's enthusiasm?

easy 1h
easy 3d now

I got all my bids. easy.

[655321]

3♦ seems obvious.

We have no vestige of a club stopper, and we have a preference for diamonds over spades. To pass 2♠ my hand would need to be a fair bit worse (as well as having 3 spades and fewer diamonds).

[cherdanno]

Yeah 3♦ and I like my chances of winning a game swing against the "I NEED 6 HCP TO RESPOND"-crowd.

[jdonn]

Why are people saying "ha that'll teach you to respond on that!" We haven't gone down yet you know. Plenty of hands give good play for game here. Anyway 3♦ stands out to me.

[mich-b]

Auto 1♥ response, and auto 3♦ now.
Actually I have some good things : a fit for partner's main suit, and an honour in his 2nd suit.

I think we are quite likely making 3NT or 5♦ , or maybe 4♥.

And I don't understand conventional 2NT showing weakness, or preparing a signoff. This is applicable opposite a reverse which is not GF. But 2♠ here was 100% GF , so not possible to stop in partscore. 2NT is very likely to wrongside the eventual 3NT.

[rogerclee]

mich-b, on Jan 25 2010, 12:32 AM, said:

Auto 1♥ response, and auto 3♦ now.
Actually I have some good things : a fit for partner's main suit, and an honour in his 2nd suit.

I think we are quite likely making 3NT or 5♦ , or maybe 4♥.

And I don't understand conventional 2NT showing weakness, or preparing a signoff. This is applicable opposite a reverse which is not GF. But 2♠ here was 100% GF , so not possible to stop in partscore. 2NT is very likely to wrongside the eventual 3NT.

agree with all these words

[ewj]

I agree too.
1♥ is just automatic

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

3D.

I did respond on submin. values, but p 2S bid made my hand stronger,
the Queen is good, we have a diamond fit, I woubld be happier, if we
discovered a heart fit, but you cant have everything, and p may still have
3 hearts, so no need to worry.

Even if you dont have 2NT as art. av., 3D is basically your weakest raise,
since you have 3C available.

With kind regards
Marlowe

PS: I would have passed playing standart, but may have responded with
my regular p, since we have mechanism to stay low.

[kenrexford]

The 2NT bid (if conventional) does not have a sole purpose of stopping in a partscore. It also has the benefit of distinguishing a values 3♦ from a crud 3♦, both below 3NT, and the same for spade raises, etc.

[Codo]

Thanks to Gonzalo I reread the auction, so silly stuff deleted...

1♥ and 3 ♦, heading for 4♥ or 5 ♦

This post has been edited by Codo: 2010-January-26, 01:13

[Fluffy]

wtf 2NT? 2♠ is GF, how can we slow down when we are in a GF sequence?

3♦ and see if partner can bid 3♥/NT otherwise we will e stuck to play 5♦.

[Simplicity]

i think 1♥ and 3♦ now are automatic. I'll be pretty pleased if we play in 4♥ or 3NT, 5♦ might not be so hot but we ain't down yet