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#1 User is offline   cnszsun 

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Posted 2010-January-15, 21:26

Scoring: IMP

ps-1
1-2
??

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Posted 2010-January-15, 21:48

I saw a similar hand in a magazine recently. Pass, 2, 2, and 3 all got votes.

I'm going with 3, despite being short a trump (which was the plurality vote on the magazine panel).

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Posted 2010-January-15, 22:01

2h.

hate, 3c.....I am way too weak

If we have a shot at 3nt or 5c or 4s pard will rebid otherwise I want to slow it down.


Too strong to pass, I want to give pard a chance for a third bid.


1h=1s=2c is quite a very wide range.
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Posted 2010-January-15, 22:13

2D as a passed hand is probably fine if played as 4sf.
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Posted 2010-January-16, 00:33

yeh, I try 2d.....and hope pard knows what's happening. Why shouldn't she? alternative of passing 2C doesn't seem necessary with this passed-hand.

If partner were in 1st or 2nd seat, I would barf.
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Posted 2010-January-16, 01:13

2h

undiscussed I would never try 2d


Pard may play me for weak 4s and 6d. I am a passed hand.
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Posted 2010-January-16, 09:50

mike: If you were not a passed hand, how would you handle a weak 4-6 in the pointed suits? Don't answer that, just do the same thing as a passed hand.

Then that leaves 2D available for this hand, at this juncture, by a passed hand.
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Posted 2010-January-16, 16:21

If I am an unpassed hand with 4s and 6d and weak I will just lose the d suit. I will never bid diamonds.

My other option when weak is to rebid 3d(invite) and pray partner passes.


1h=1s
2c=?

If I am a passed hand, now I can rebid 2d natural 4-6 etc.
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Posted 2010-January-16, 18:59

cnszsun, on Jan 15 2010, 10:26 PM, said:

Scoring: IMP

ps-1
1-2
??

I stole my call out of everybody else's bidding box so they were forced to bid over 2 while I could pass :)
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Posted 2010-January-18, 06:44

2 luckily I have passed before.
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Posted 2010-January-18, 08:50

If I were not a passed hand I would bid 2S.
and the result can be plotted on a graph.
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Posted 2010-January-18, 09:58

3, unless playing with someone who likes to rebid 2 on a 2533 that belongs to our notrump range. In which case I would try 2 as a passed hand and bid 2 as an unpassed hand.

With 46 I would respond 1NT, assuming that we don't play BART or Gazilli or anything.
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Posted 2010-January-18, 10:06

helene_t, on Jan 18 2010, 10:58 AM, said:

With 46 I would respond 1NT, assuming that we don't play BART or Gazilli or anything.

I would not do this unless it was a very unusual hand.
and the result can be plotted on a graph.
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Posted 2010-January-18, 10:07

hanp, on Jan 18 2010, 09:50 AM, said:

If I were not a passed hand I would bid 2S.

I would bid 3 in that case. But no matter what it's potentially unpleasant.
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Posted 2010-January-18, 10:11

Hi,

Since you are a passed hand, you can bid 2D.
2D is still FSF, but since you did not open ...

The alternative is to pass.

The decision is depend how regular you expect partner to raise
1S to 2S, when he is holding 3 card support, if he "always" raises,
than there is a lot to be said for Passing, since you wont have a 5-3
fit in spades very often.

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Posted 2010-January-18, 14:34

I play a style where 2 here is just 1R forcing, so that's my bid. Will pass 2.
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Posted 2010-January-18, 15:08

I play a style where 2 is only forcing 1 round too.

And this hand looks like a passwtp to me at IMPs. MAYBE at MPs you could persuade me to fish for a spade contract, but I might be losing more in 2NT/3 than I am gaining in 2.
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Posted 2010-January-18, 15:54

wtp?

the p is that we could be on for slam and we're playing on the 2 level. seriously you don't see a problem with that?

Kx
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there are millions of hands where we have game on... 2 is not limited to 13 hcp, contrary to popular belief. jumping to 3 or bidding 2NT is not acceptable on random 17 counts, contrary to popular belief.
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Posted 2010-January-18, 18:31

No, its not limited to 13 HCP; but I sure hope it's not routinely a 4-loser hand!

If you play sound openings I'll believe there is a 35 or 40% chance of a game in the hand somewhere, so I can see why the "vulnerable at IMPs gong" is sounding. My own style is to lighter openings (a majority of 11s) and sounder responses (5HCP about once in 3-5 sessions) than many... so I feel like I'm giving up more like a 25% chance of game along with a modest chance of 2S being a better partscore.
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