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#1 User is offline   jh51 

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Posted 2010-January-15, 13:07

Scoring: MP


Can anyone figure out how my partner and I defeated 3♥ on this hand? No, declarer did not revoke.
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Posted 2010-January-15, 13:17

jh51, on Jan 15 2010, 02:07 PM, said:

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Can anyone figure out how my partner and I defeated 3♥ on this hand? No, declarer did not revoke.

declarer has to discard 2♠ on 2 minor suit winners ["OH MY! I thought I was playing NT"] :)
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Posted 2010-January-15, 13:17

jh51, on Jan 16 2010, 12:37 AM, said:

Can anyone figure out how my partner and I defeated 3♥ on this hand? No, declarer did not revoke.

NO :)
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Posted 2010-January-15, 13:24

you played against morons? well done.
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Posted 2010-January-15, 13:28

Obv after ruffing the 2nd round of clubs declarer took his/her 8 winners to escape for down 1.
I once yelled at my partner for discarding the 'wrong' card when he was subjected to a squeeze that I allowed by giving the wrong count with too high a card. Now he's allowed to pitch aces when the opponents have the king in the dummy. At trick 2. When he could have followed suit. And blame me.

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Posted 2010-January-15, 13:37

SA, S ruff, minor, S ruff, other minor. Easy.
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Posted 2010-January-15, 13:46

Trumpace, on Jan 15 2010, 02:37 PM, said:

SA, S ruff, minor, S ruff, other minor. Easy.

and then your partner pitches his second spade when declarer draws trump, hoping no one noticed the revoke?
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Posted 2010-January-15, 13:48

No one has figured this out yet. Our opponents were decent NLM players - one of them became LM with the points from this sectional event. Still there was a serious error by the opponents that doomed the contract. I have no idea what the opponent was thinking at the time of the error.
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Posted 2010-January-15, 13:53

OMG! one of them became a LIFE MASTER? that's AMAZING!
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Posted 2010-January-15, 13:55

jh51, on Jan 15 2010, 02:48 PM, said:

Our opponents were decent NLM players

I'm interested to see an explanation consistent with this claim :)
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Posted 2010-January-15, 13:59

You sat East-West.
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Posted 2010-January-15, 14:04

gnasher, on Jan 15 2010, 02:59 PM, said:

You sat East-West.

best guess so far :)

something like:

1♥ - x - p - 2♣ -
2♥ - 3♥ - ppp (lol) ?
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Posted 2010-January-15, 14:19

gnasher, on Jan 15 2010, 02:59 PM, said:

You sat East-West.

Bingo. North apparntly forgot that they were playing western cue bids after I had opened and rebid hearts. Down 6 for second top in the NLM pairs. Top was 4♥X making by East. Everyone else was in a part score, making (some EW in hearts, some NS in clubs)

North-South actually won the event (NLM pairs), but this hand did not help.

As far as I knew during the bidding, 4♥ had no play. South had doubled for takeout, so I might well have had no tricks outside of hearts. So I took what I was sure to be at least 200 and gave up on the heart game.
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Posted 2010-January-15, 14:20

billw55, on Jan 15 2010, 03:04 PM, said:

gnasher, on Jan 15 2010, 02:59 PM, said:

You sat East-West.

best guess so far :)

something like:

1♥ - x - p - 2♣ -
2♥ - 3♥ - ppp (lol) ?

That was the exact bidding sequence.
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Posted 2010-January-15, 14:27

So you went +300 for an awful board?

Anyway I think this hand totally justifies the ACBL increasing the requirements for life master.

Now that I see your later post, almost every E/W missed 4♥? Wtf??
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Posted 2010-January-15, 14:52

jh51, on Jan 15 2010, 03:20 PM, said:

That was the exact bidding sequence.

including the lol?
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Posted 2010-January-15, 15:02

jdonn, on Jan 15 2010, 03:27 PM, said:

So you went +300 for an awful board?

Anyway I think this hand totally justifies the ACBL increasing the requirements for life master.

Now that I see your later post, almost every E/W missed 4♥? Wtf??

+300 was a good board - only one pair was better.

I had played against this pair fairly often in this and other tournaments. Early in December, they tied for the 3rd most master points won at a NLM sectional. (I was second due to some stupid mistakes - one of which was taking too long at lunch and returning too late for the afternoon session.) This hand was atypical of their play. I would not be too hard on them just for this one hand.

It is quite easy to miss 4♥. You pretty much have to decide to bid it vulnerable with south showing a power house. Where are you going to get your tricks outside of the 8 hearts? If west does not have a spade honor, east can be made to lead away from his spades repeatedly. minor suit honors, if any, in west's hand are likely to be wasted.
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Posted 2010-January-15, 15:04

billw55, on Jan 15 2010, 03:52 PM, said:

jh51, on Jan 15 2010, 03:20 PM, said:

That was the exact bidding sequence.

including the lol?

Not until after I claimed.
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Posted 2010-January-15, 15:50

jh51, on Jan 15 2010, 04:02 PM, said:

This hand was atypical of their play. I would not be too hard on them just for this one hand.

Yeah, anyone can just space out once in a while.

The other week at a club game, first board of the afternoon, my partner opened 1♣ and righty put in 2NT, unusual. My not-yet-in-gear brain parsed that as 1♦ and 1♥, and I casually laid down the 1♠ card. The director laughed at me a little.
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Posted 2010-January-15, 15:59

jh51, on Jan 15 2010, 04:02 PM, said:

It is quite easy to miss 4♥.

I admit I find it quite difficult to not get to 4♥ with 8 solid and KJx in another suit.
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