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Overcalling 1S with 3523... ...and 15 HCP

Poll: I prefer... (51 member(s) have cast votes)

I prefer...

  1. Pass (5 votes [9.80%])

    Percentage of vote: 9.80%

  2. Double (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  3. 1NT (12 votes [23.53%])

    Percentage of vote: 23.53%

  4. 2H (34 votes [66.67%])

    Percentage of vote: 66.67%

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#1 User is offline   Poky 

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  Posted 2010-January-12, 05:03

IMP. Both vul.

♠Kxx
♥AQ8xx
♦Ax
♣Qxx

(1♠) ?
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Posted 2010-January-12, 05:05

Just barely 2H.
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Posted 2010-January-12, 05:05

I'll go with 2H as well. Obviously it will be hard to find our 5-3 heart fit after 1NT, while we can still easily get to 3NT after 2H (maybe even from partner's side. I don't thinkt hat 1NT is very bad though.

pass and double are absurd.
and the result can be plotted on a graph.
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Posted 2010-January-12, 05:50

Ask me tomorow, and I may overcall 1NT.

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Posted 2010-January-12, 06:26

2H with(almost) any hand matching the topic title:)
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Posted 2010-January-12, 07:44

hmm.. I was going with 1NT, but the 3-card spade suit says pard probably is short in spades so he can very well have 3 hearts. It's thus likely I'll miss the heart fit if I bid that.

2♥ it is then.
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Posted 2010-January-12, 08:53

it is close, I voted for pass, but I can live with 1NT
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Posted 2010-January-12, 09:29

Poky, on Jan 12 2010, 06:03 AM, said:

IMP. Both vul.

♠Kxx
♥AQ8xx
♦Ax
♣Qxx

(1♠) ?

2h

I got a decent 5 card major suit and an opening hand.

see other threads where 1s first seat vul could be on pure junk.

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Posted 2010-January-12, 09:38

I prefer 1NT.
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Posted 2010-January-12, 10:22

I don't like 1NT, to me it's between 2♥ and pass. The upside and downside of 2♥ are both really high, but I'll chance it.
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  Posted 2010-January-13, 14:54

I really do not get some "opinion - dogmatic fact" (I really like it) here.

What happened with all those guys who voted for my hand 1NT?

What happened with whole bunch of criticism about 5 cards overcalls on second level?

What happened to those who said my hand is to strong to pass and this one some voted pass?

Looks like I will never catch this "expert" level or I am just losing time at forum not much better then Croatian one?
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Posted 2010-January-13, 14:57

you are crucifying the whole forum :)
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Posted 2010-January-13, 15:03

2♥.

We can still find 3NT after a 2♥ overcall if 3NT is right.

The chances that we will be able to get to 4♥ after a 1NT overcall when 4♥ is right are quite small.

As for pass or double, I find both of those options to be out of the question.
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Posted 2010-January-13, 15:03

gwnn, on Jan 13 2010, 03:57 PM, said:

you are crucifying the whole forum :)

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Posted 2010-January-13, 15:14

Rev Dino, on Jan 13 2010, 03:54 PM, said:

What happened with all those guys who voted for my hand 1NT?

There is no requirement to comment just because you vote in a poll.

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What happened with whole bunch of criticism about 5 cards overcalls on second level?

Did anyone who criticized 5 card overcalls in the other thread vote for 2♥ in this thread? Also note that majors and minors are not the same thing.

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What happened to those who said my hand is to strong to pass and this one some voted pass?

Did anyone who said your hand was too strong to pass in the other thread pass in this thread?

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Looks like I will never catch this "expert" level or I am just losing time at forum not much better then Croatian one?

Looks like you don't understand that the forums is not one person with ten thousand logins. It's a bunch of people with a wide range of bridge abilities who each have different opinions and don't always agree with each other.
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Posted 2010-January-13, 15:17

Dino you have to understand the difference from having a clear double (your hand), and not having a good bid to enter the bidding (here). People don't like 2♥ now, but they aren't chancing a pass.


I don't really see why people chance a 2♥ overcall when 1NT has little flaws, seems like they are seeing something I don't.

I think the suit quality is so poor for 2♥.
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Posted 2010-January-13, 15:48

2♥. Overcalling 2♥ over 1♠ is a different species than a 2m overcall because we are now aiming for a 4♥ contract. So the flat shape is not nearly as terrible.

It's close between 2♥ and 1NT, but I want a second spade card to bid 1NT here, just give me the T and we may be talking. I need 'outs' if we get to 3NT instead of 4♥ on a 5-3, and for 3NT to be better, it would be nice with a second spade stopper.

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Posted 2010-January-13, 22:34

For me it is 2♥. Yes I would like a better suit, yes I would like a longer suit; but I have what I have. If I am to make game I see 4♥ as a more likely making contract. If 4♥ is not the spot I have 3NT as backup. If you swapped the red suits I would probably bid NT since I am a hell of a long way from 5♦ and much closer to getting doubled.

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Posted 2010-January-13, 23:42

jdonn, on Jan 12 2010, 11:22 AM, said:

I don't like 1NT, to me it's between 2♥ and pass. The upside and downside of 2♥ are both really high, but I'll chance it.

I used to think like you, so I'm only saying this as a "I think you should reconsider" type thing..I really think pass is terrible, and it's a bidders game. You could have a game, you have to bid, you rarely go for a number. It's a scary world but 2H is a winning bridge bid in my very strong opinion (now)
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Posted 2010-January-13, 23:43

reopening doubles are not mandatory --see previous string --- so we might pay 100 per undertrick vs their NT game. 2H with a poker face.
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