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#1 User is offline   flytoox 

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Posted 2010-January-11, 19:53

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Playing Precision you open 1C, and got a negative response of 1D from pd. Now East bids 1S。

What do you do now?

(a) Pass,
(:) dbl,
© 1N,
(d) 2H.
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Posted 2010-January-11, 20:11

X is tempting, but I am afraid that the bidding will be at 3♠ or higher, by the time it comes around to me.

It seems right to get at least one suit on the table first, so 2♥, planning to X if the opps bid some number of ♠...
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Posted 2010-January-11, 23:22

yes 2H seems right to me as well
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Posted 2010-January-12, 02:09

Hi,

Start to show your suits, unless you play against me.

A possible option could also be 2S - Michaels.

The advantage being, that you take away 2S, you cant prevent West
from bidding 3S, but you can prevent him from bidding 2S.
Of course you give him the chance to double, but a double does not
kill a lot of space, and they may play double as showing ...

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Posted 2010-January-12, 10:13

2♥ wtp? It's your first, easiest, best, and perhaps only chance to show a 5th heart. Don't make this more complicated than it has to be, just show your 5 card major!
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Posted 2010-January-12, 22:50

Yeah 2H. A 19 with wasted SJ, but primes. Partner's response will certainly be in the ball park now.
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Posted 2010-January-13, 06:22

As already mentioned, show your suit)s' first. So, start with 2♥. Maybe you get an opportunity to bid clubs as well.
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Posted 2010-January-13, 06:27

Yeah 2♥. 1NT has some merits I think but dbl and pass are quite bad.
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Posted 2010-January-13, 08:04

Pass is cowardly, and invites oppo to psych and make overcalls on air.
Double is neither fish nor foul; I don't have sufficient extras to feel truly happy about it unless we're playing equal-level conversion (so I can remove 2♦ to 2♥).
1NT is off-shape but tempting; if partner has Hx or Txx we have a double stop, and in my methods partner can ask for a 5-card major.
2♥ is, however, the winner. It shows a decent 5-card suit, and a little more than a bare 16 but no huge hand. This is what I have, so this is what I bid.
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Posted 2010-January-13, 09:09

Dbl + 2♥. This, I think, shows more than a min 1♣ opener. A bid which for once we happen to have :)
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Posted 2010-January-13, 11:15

whereagles, on Jan 13 2010, 10:09 AM, said:

Dbl + 2♥. This, I think, shows more than a min 1♣ opener. A bid which for once we happen to have :)

The opps sometimes bid 2S before you can bid 2H you know...
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Posted 2010-January-13, 11:17

jdonn, on Jan 12 2010, 11:13 AM, said:

Don't make this more complicated than it has to be, just show your 5 card major!

The fact there was any vote at all for anything but 2♥ means this needs to be repeated!
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Posted 2010-January-13, 12:02

Can't imagine anything other than 2♥. You're allowed to have a range for min rebids in any system, no? If partner is passing 2♥, do you really think you're missing anything? And since he/she is limited with his/her 1♦ response, you can act appropriately if there is any further bidding.
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Posted 2010-January-18, 14:05

Seems to me that 2 Hearts understates the game potential of this hand. The 2 diamonds (0-7 HCP) by partner allows a lot of room for heart support and one or two cover cards and this would make game a reasonable outcome.
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Posted 2010-January-18, 14:33

lilboyman, on Jan 18 2010, 08:05 PM, said:

Seems to me that 2 Hearts understates the game potential of this hand. The 2 diamonds (0-7 HCP) by partner allows a lot of room for heart support and one or two cover cards and this would make game a reasonable outcome.

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Posted 2010-January-18, 16:36

gwnn, on Jan 18 2010, 03:33 PM, said:

lilboyman, on Jan 18 2010, 08:05 PM, said:

Seems to me that 2 Hearts understates the game potential of this hand.  The 2 diamonds (0-7 HCP) by partner allows a lot of room for heart support and one or two cover cards and this would make game a reasonable outcome.

2H is not a signoff!

Nor does it understate this hand that doesn't have much extra anyway!
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Posted 2010-January-28, 11:37

If you and your partner play 2♠ as Michaels (a reasonable view since the adverse 1♠ overcall is the ONLY natural bid), I'd vote for that choice. On sequences like "1♣-(Pass)-1♦-(1any); ?", it makes sense to treat the auction like "(1any)- ?" with bids at "?" having similar meanings in both sequences. Note that the strong club opening implies that bids at the first "?" have a higher minimum strength than corresponding actions at the second "?".

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Posted 2010-January-28, 14:47

You have ONLY 19 (18 because the J probably is worthless) HCP, and 2-5-2-4 distribution. That's not nearly enough to use Michaels cuebids after opening 1♣; either more extreme distribution or more HCP is needed to do that. Say 2♥ and show what you really have.
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Posted 2010-January-28, 20:46

a solution to the prob u see is to play trans fers here
x 5c limited or strong
1nt semi natural spades no 5 cd suit
2c trans d limited or strong
2d trans h limited or strong
2h strong t/o
pass weak t/o
2s + =: 8 pt
2nt 19-21
big prob here is wrong siding
but if p aceepts normaly weak and where u play
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  Posted 2010-February-04, 10:38

2♥. Important to show suits immediately because that is the nature of your hand, suit oriented.
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