[raist]

your hand is

Q
QTxxxx
AJx
xxx

partner opens 1S, RHO calls 3C
all nonvul

Qn 1: what do you bid now? double? or pass?

generally, to make a negX at the 2 level, you need 8 hcp or so
so to make a negX at the 3 level... do you need more? how much more?

Qn 2: assuming you passed the first time round, now partner bids 4H and it's back to you
what do you bid? the possibilities I can think of are:
a. pass
b. 5D (surely can't be natural)
c. 5H (in case partner thinks 5D is nat)

now how much do you lean towards bidding and how much towards passing?
is it fair to assume that partner may have bid 4H based on you holding a random 6-7 pointer for him? or is it wrong for partner to do that and he must have bid 4H on his own strength only?

[Fluffy]

doubling or not is a matter of style, I am sure some people will just bid 3♥ with the hand given. I might just pass.

If partner bids 4♥ you have a 5♥ bid avaible to show lack of ♣ control.

Also you can bid 4NT and assume partner has ♣ shortness given that you have 3 (with doubleton you better don't try this), seems to work fine, adn you keep 7♥ into the picture

[pooltuna]

raist, on Jan 3 2010, 06:14 AM, said:

your hand is

Q
QTxxxx
AJx
xxx

partner opens 1S, RHO calls 3C
all nonvul

Qn 1: what do you bid now? double? or pass?

generally, to make a negX at the 2 level, you need 8 hcp or so
so to make a negX at the 3 level... do you need more? how much more?

Qn 2: assuming you passed the first time round, now partner bids 4H and it's back to you
what do you bid? the possibilities I can think of are:
a. pass
b. 5D (surely can't be natural)
c. 5H (in case partner thinks 5D is nat)

now how much do you lean towards bidding and how much towards passing?
is it fair to assume that partner may have bid 4H based on you holding a random 6-7 pointer for him? or is it wrong for partner to do that and he must have bid 4H on his own strength only?

1) I pass. IMO for a 3 level -X you need the equivalent of a LR for the two suits you say you have.

2) I tend to agree with b} but play with too many crazy players so I would bid d)6♥ and if you didn't notice I am leaning towards bidding . Yes partner is bidding to some extent your hand but you have more than enough to compensate.

[barryallen]

raist, on Jan 3 2010, 06:14 AM, said:

your hand is

Q
QTxxxx
AJx
xxx

partner opens 1S, RHO calls 3C
all nonvul

Qn 1: what do you bid now? double? or pass?

generally, to make a negX at the 2 level, you need 8 hcp or so
so to make a negX at the 3 level... do you need more? how much more?

Qn 2: assuming you passed the first time round, now partner bids 4H and it's back to you
what do you bid? the possibilities I can think of are:
a. pass
b. 5D (surely can't be natural)
c. 5H (in case partner thinks 5D is nat)

now how much do you lean towards bidding and how much towards passing?
is it fair to assume that partner may have bid 4H based on you holding a random 6-7 pointer for him? or is it wrong for partner to do that and he must have bid 4H on his own strength only?

Using NFB's this is relatively straight forward. I would bid 3♥, decline after a 4♥ raise. This can only go any further if partner cue bids 4♣, otherwise I cannot see any way to avoiding losing the first 2 tricks in ♣.

Many do not like NFB's, so this would not be an option, but I like a compromise between NFB's and the forcing response.

[helene_t]

I think this hand is just good enough to dbl.

[Fluffy]

NFB's are a convention used at the 2 level, the differences are huge:

-NFB's are wide ranged calls
-You have the 3 level to reinvite a NFB
-Playing at the 3 level to make a part score is a small target, wide range into small target is a bad idea.

[barryallen]

Fluffy, on Jan 3 2010, 09:16 AM, said:

NFB's are a convention used at the 2 level, the differences are huge:

-NFB's are wide ranged calls
-You have the 3 level to reinvite a NFB
-Playing at the 3 level to make a part score is a small target, wide range into small target is a bad idea.

So 1♠ - 2♥ - 3♦ is not a NFB?

You can apply this how ever you wish, as long as the system can accommodate all options.

[Fluffy]

on the variant of NFB's I know it is not, you can play rubenshol or lebenshol better to show weak hands with a suit.

[andy_h]

1) I double. Over partner's 3♦ I will correct it to 3♥. Partner should strain to bid 3red with 5♠332 and alike. I'm happy enough if partner bids spades as I have the queen for him.
2) I now cue with 5♦. Given that I passed it seems a bit impossible for partner to know we have this hand. If partner signs off I'm tempted to just bid 6 over that anyway as it's very likely for partner to be 65.

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

I pass, partner will try to reopen with shortness in club, if he also
has 3 cards, ..., we can let them play 3C.
We play Tranfser after intervention, so 3D would show hearts, but
the hand is too weak, even for NFB, since we would bascialy promise
a hand worth 8-11.

4H by partner should show 6-5, afterall he bypassed 3H, so there is
no need to worry about a side suit control.
You have the Ace of diamonds, ... it is either Pass or 6H.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[Codo]

Pass and 5 Heart looks quite automatic to me.

[whereagles]

1. 3♥. The hands rate to fit due to the long clubs (pard bound to be short there), so this slight overbid is ok.

2. Having passed I'd bid 4NT (RKCB) now. If there's a risk pard misunderstands... well, 6♥.

[Apollo81]

Partner shouldn't be expecting you to have a good hand, and certainly not this good a hand. With three clubs, partner should reopen with a double or other bid if you have a game. If he can't reopen, you probably don't belong in the auction.

After the continuation given, I would bid 5♥ (asking for club control) and bid 7♥ if partner cuebids 6♣. Opposite an unreliable partner I would just bid RKC.

[Codo]

I would never try RCKB here. If I must be afraid that he will pass 5 diamond- as was given in the OP, he may take 4 NT as natural.
I try 5 Heart or 5 diamond.

[billw55]

Honestly I don't understand double over 3♣ with this hand. Change a small heart to a diamond, and I get it, but with six of them I just bid 3♥.