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From the Weekend #4 Do you bid the game?

#1 User is offline   bd71 

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Posted 2009-December-07, 21:56

Scoring: IMP

P 1
1 2
??


I liked my controls, my length in partner's first-bid suit, and the doubleton...so I bid 4H. Your call?
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Posted 2009-December-07, 22:01

I would have opened this nice A + AK + 10-10 + 9-9.

Game bid is fine. Don't expect it t be a laydown however.
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Posted 2009-December-07, 22:06

If filling in for the player who didn't open, I would bid a random 2S.
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Posted 2009-December-07, 22:07

dupe
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Posted 2009-December-07, 22:11

If you never raise with 3 trumps then 4H is fine. If you sometimes raise with 3 trumps then I prefer 3C.
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Posted 2009-December-08, 08:43

Phil, on Dec 7 2009, 11:01 PM, said:

I would have opened this nice A + AK + 10-10 + 9-9.

Seriously? I finally learn to be extremely cautious valuing unsupported soft honors, and now I'm supposed to value two unsupported tens to help me come up with an opening bid?
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Posted 2009-December-08, 09:19

I'm a big fan of opening AAK's. This one's pretty decent as we have 2 of the honours in the same suit.
Anyway, if partner can raise with 3 trumps then I will make the bid that allows me to ask partner what he has (3 or 4 trumps, min or max).
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Posted 2009-December-08, 10:04

bd71, on Dec 7 2009, 10:56 PM, said:

Scoring: IMP

P 1
1 2
??


I liked my controls, my length in partner's first-bid suit, and the doubleton...so I bid 4H. Your call?

Like Phil I would have opened. A game bid is fine but 4 might put you in a 4-3 fit if partner finds a reason to need to raise with 3 so I would bid 3NT and leave partner to correct if he actually held 4.
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Posted 2009-December-08, 10:08

When I played K-S, any hand with 3 quick tricks was a mandatory opener.

I was bd71's partner. I had 13 HCP, so if he opens, it's hard to stop short of game.

I seriously thought of passing 1, as game seemed out of reach after his initial pass. The intent of my raise was to show support and make it difficult for opponents to get into the action. Was this reasonable?
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Posted 2009-December-08, 10:20

What was the other hand?

In general, I would never pass 1.
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Posted 2009-December-08, 10:24

jh51, on Dec 8 2009, 11:08 AM, said:

When I played K-S, any hand with 3 quick tricks was a mandatory opener.

I was bd71's partner. I had 13 HCP, so if he opens, it's hard to stop short of game.

I seriously thought of passing 1, as game seemed out of reach after his initial pass. The intent of my raise was to show support and make it difficult for opponents to get into the action. Was this reasonable?

I wouldn't blame you for passing. Generally when I raise in this situation I try to show a very good minimal opener.
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Posted 2009-December-08, 11:10

TylerE, on Dec 8 2009, 11:20 AM, said:

What was the other hand?

I'm going by memory (not always reliable), but I believe the North hand was:

KQx
Qxxx
Qx
KJxx

They cashed their top diamonds right away, W had AQxx of clubs, and one of them (I believe E) had 4 trumps and a natural trump trick. So we lost 1H, 2D, 1C...I don't think there was any play for the game as the cards lay (which obviously doesn't mean bidding game is wrong).
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Posted 2009-December-08, 15:06

Barry, I think that is pretty darn close to what I actually held.
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Posted 2009-December-08, 16:00

bd71, on Dec 8 2009, 12:10 PM, said:

TylerE, on Dec 8 2009, 11:20 AM, said:

What was the other hand?

I'm going by memory (not always reliable), but I believe the North hand was:

KQx
Qxxx
Qx
KJxx

They cashed their top diamonds right away, W had AQxx of clubs, and one of them (I believe E) had 4 trumps and a natural trump trick. So we lost 1H, 2D, 1C...I don't think there was any play for the game as the cards lay (which obviously doesn't mean bidding game is wrong).


I open not pass.


The bidding might go:


1c=1h
2h=2nt
p or (3h)=Pass.
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