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With ♦s appearing to be in the slot, West is afraid that ♣ losers in declarer's hand may disappear given time. Hence the underlead at T1.
T1: ♣4, x, 9, J
If only that ♣9 could be swapped for the 8...
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Posted 2009-December-07, 10:26
With ♦s appearing to be in the slot, West is afraid that ♣ losers in declarer's hand may disappear given time. Hence the underlead at T1.
T1: ♣4, x, 9, J
If only that ♣9 could be swapped for the 8...
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Posted 2009-December-07, 10:51
Play the queen wtp.
and the result can be plotted on a graph.
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Posted 2009-December-07, 10:51
Suck it up and try another small club when in with the diamond Ace. No blame.
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Posted 2009-December-07, 11:45
hanp, on Dec 7 2009, 11:51 AM, said:
Play the queen wtp.
you left off the
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Posted 2009-December-07, 13:35
ace underleading has its risks, you ahve to live with them, west must assume the blame if any.
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Posted 2009-December-07, 13:46
I like the lead choice and can't really imagine leading from Jxxx on this auction so maybe East should get it right. But there is little blame, if any.
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Posted 2009-December-07, 14:40
aguahombre, on Dec 7 2009, 11:51 AM, said:
Suck it up and try another small club when in with the diamond Ace. No blame.
When I got in with the ♦A and cashed the ♣A, declarer Janet Jansma turns to me and says, "Good lead. Good idea too that you didn't try it a second time !"
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Posted 2009-December-07, 15:05
lol, playing the club 9 is terrible.
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Posted 2009-December-07, 15:36
What would you lead from 10xxx A9 AQx Jxxx ?
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Posted 2009-December-07, 15:43
This is a good auction to underlead. East should field it with a good partner.
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Posted 2009-December-07, 16:41
gnasher, on Dec 7 2009, 04:36 PM, said:
What would you lead from 10xxx A9 AQx Jxxx ?
A club obv, I would lead a club from basically anything on this auction. For the 9 to be right you need partner to have the jack rather than the ace AND for the pitch you create for them/trick you give them to matter. That is very specific rather than just playing partner for the CA.
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Posted 2009-December-07, 16:52
You must be right that the 9 is a good play from A9X and a bad play from q9X. So, Declarer being equally sure of that will play what? Talking about when u win the diamond and lead another low club.
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Posted 2009-December-07, 16:56
I don't blame E for playing the 9. If pard's holding is JXXX, playing the ♣Q might allow declarer to finesse against the J♣ and play clubs for no losers.
Of course, one can argue that if declarer holds AXX of ♣ and a stiff ♦, it's obvious to play a ♦ towards the K♦ and pitch a ♣ loser if the defence takes the A♦.
However, it takes a lot of analysis by E at T1 and IMO, third hand play is much simpler if you can assume that pard will almost never underlead Aces at T1...
Of course, one can argue that if declarer holds AXX of ♣ and a stiff ♦, it's obvious to play a ♦ towards the K♦ and pitch a ♣ loser if the defence takes the A♦.
However, it takes a lot of analysis by E at T1 and IMO, third hand play is much simpler if you can assume that pard will almost never underlead Aces at T1...
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Posted 2009-December-07, 17:07
akhare, on Dec 7 2009, 05:56 PM, said:
However, it takes a lot of analysis by E at T1 and IMO, third hand play is much simpler if you can assume that pard will almost never underlead Aces at T1...
Yes, and all hands are easier if you limit what partner can do so that you can restrict the possibilities of what's going on. That doesn't mean you will have better results, partner won't ever be able to underlead an ace when it's right. Surely it is optimal to allow partner to make the right lead and then try to work it out?
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Posted 2009-December-07, 17:13
I think saying the 9 is terrible goes too far, but that east should probably be able to work it out.
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Posted 2009-December-07, 18:09
Jlall, on Dec 7 2009, 06:07 PM, said:
akhare, on Dec 7 2009, 05:56 PM, said:
However, it takes a lot of analysis by E at T1 and IMO, third hand play is much simpler if you can assume that pard will almost never underlead Aces at T1...
Yes, and all hands are easier if you limit what partner can do so that you can restrict the possibilities of what's going on. That doesn't mean you will have better results, partner won't ever be able to underlead an ace when it's right. Surely it is optimal to allow partner to make the right lead and then try to work it out?
Agree -- the underlead of an Ace might indeed be optimal in rare situations (and this hand certainly qualifies, given the scoring method). My aversion is mainly directed towards those who like to habitually underlead Aces on opening leads...
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Posted 2009-December-07, 20:15
How would anyone who cares to answer rate the lead of the ♣A?
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Posted 2009-December-07, 20:28
Lobowolf, on Dec 7 2009, 07:15 PM, said:
How would anyone who cares to answer rate the lead of the ♣A?
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Posted 2009-December-08, 00:28
As East, I think the right play depends on knowing partner. There are partners with whom I would play the nine, and those with whom I would play the queen. I underlead aces more than most, and agree with the lead: I would also hope most of my partners would work it out.
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Posted 2009-December-08, 00:42
I guess problem here is that playing 9 is "automatic play" if only ♣ suit existed. I blame 9 as a lazy play which lost now possible trick.
I think that rules never to lead from some combinations are very bad even tough it reduces work for partner at trick one. But ace under lead is rarely a good lead.
I think that rules never to lead from some combinations are very bad even tough it reduces work for partner at trick one. But ace under lead is rarely a good lead.
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