[pran]

I have attended so many courses that I know how we stress the importance of the word "incontrovertible" whenever we lecture any of the laws where this word occurs. Some of the situations they cover are among the most common situations a director will meet so these laws are almost always included in the course.

But of course, if the course is focused on running events rather than on the laws ...... (we have many such courses as well)

[lamford]

jeremy69, on Dec 5 2009, 11:35 AM, said:

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Lousy course.

Well, of course, I bow to your superior knowledge here but I attended one such course about 6 weeks ago as an observer. A lot of material was covered during the day, it was appropriate to the level of the participants,and well run.

I would agree with jeremy; I also attended such a course, and it was excellent. And it certainly did cover whether the player's intention was incontrovertible. One or two of the students thought that was a car which did not have a removable roof, but the majority understood the principle and would have ruled correctly in the example quoted here.

[RMB1]

lamford, on Dec 9 2009, 01:21 AM, said:

... And it certainly did cover whether the player's intention was incontrovertible. One or two of the students thought that was a car which did not have a removable roof, but the majority understood the principle and would have ruled correctly in the example quoted here.

The usual example of "different intention was incontrovertible" is dummy winning the previous trick with CA from CAKQJ2 and declarer calling for "club" and being allowed to play CK. Are there other examples?

Robin

[blackshoe]

pran, on Dec 5 2009, 02:54 PM, said:

I have attended so many courses that I know how we stress the importance of the word "incontrovertible" whenever we lecture any of the laws where this word occurs. Some of the situations they cover are among the most common situations a director will meet so these laws are almost always included in the course.

But of course, if the course is focused on running events rather than on the laws ...... (we have many such courses as well)

I just did a search of my lawbook. The word "incontrovertible" occurs once, in Law 46B.

[pran]

blackshoe, on Dec 9 2009, 08:16 PM, said:

pran, on Dec 5 2009, 02:54 PM, said:

I have attended so many courses that I know how we stress the importance of the word "incontrovertible" whenever we lecture any of the laws where this word occurs. Some of the situations they cover are among the most common situations a director will meet so these laws are almost always included in the course.

But of course, if the course is focused on running events rather than on the laws ...... (we have many such courses as well)

I just did a search of my lawbook. The word "incontrovertible" occurs once, in Law 46B.

Maybe I should have added something like "or similar", because we stress this principle for instance also when judging what in the older laws was termed "irrational" etc.

There are many such situations for judgements in the laws and they all amount more or less to the same duty on the Director. He must just determine what is a reasonable ruling while observing the interests of both sides.

[blackshoe]

pran, on Dec 9 2009, 03:06 PM, said:

There are many such situations for judgements in the laws and they all amount more or less to the same duty on the Director. He must just determine what is a reasonable ruling while observing the interests of both sides.

That's fair enough - but it doesn't seem to jibe with the idea of looking for "incontrovertible" intent where the law doesn't require that.

[mycroft]

The example I give is "club" while pointing to the spades (which I've done more than once).