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DBL/Pass?

Poll: DBL/Pass? (30 member(s) have cast votes)

DBL/Pass?

  1. DBL would be penalty oriented: (4 votes [13.33%])

    Percentage of vote: 13.33%

  2. -DBL (1 votes [3.33%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.33%

  3. -Pass (25 votes [83.33%])

    Percentage of vote: 83.33%

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#1 User is online   kgr 

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Posted 2009-November-29, 04:34

Scoring: IMP

1♦-(1♠)-DBL-(3♦!)
Pass-(4♠)-??
 
This can easily go -2 if you can get some ♦ ruffs; Do you DBL if that is penalty?
 
PS1:...Do you DBL if it is penalty like (partner can run without ♠ and a min hand
 
PS: Do you think it is best to play DBL as penalty here, or is it better to play it as take-out. eg for hands with 1=4=3=5...?
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Posted 2009-November-29, 04:46

Pass.
1) No
2) Takeout/values. Much more frequent when the opponents have a 9+fit and you certainly don't want to force to the 5 level unilaterally (if we're short in spades, partner is long in them).
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Posted 2009-November-30, 01:39

I would play the double as cards. Partner passed already after 3 ♦, so there are many hands he cannot have- like a good hand with 4 HEarts.

But no matter what your agreements are, this is an easy pass. If you are happy enough to score 5 tricks, be happy. There are millions of ways this could make- starting with hands where partner does not possess the ace of diamond...
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Posted 2009-November-30, 01:58

X is certainly penalty, I fail to see a sensible other meaning (*).

But I will pass.

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Marlowe

PS: (*) The Penalty X does not need to be based on a trump stack,
i.e. "card showing" is included in my understanding of "penalty", at
least in the given seq.
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Posted 2009-November-30, 03:30

umm...pass?
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Posted 2009-November-30, 05:45

Didn't I show 8-ish with neg X? Did partner hear me? Why bid again?

Penalty/Takeout get blurred at this level. Try 'I have good stuff'. Do Something Intelligent Partner.
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Posted 2009-November-30, 07:04

I'll double. Pard didn't double 3♦, so he rates to have a 12-14 NT type of hand, meaning they're at the 4 level with at most 21 hcp and an 8 card fit.

Sure, maybe it makes. But it can also go 2 down easy B)
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Posted 2009-November-30, 07:52

I already showed my hand, partner is captain now. I pass.
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Posted 2009-November-30, 08:15

We will probably get a heart lead so they will make it.
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Posted 2009-November-30, 09:03

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We will probably get a heart lead so they will make it.


Since we are on lead there is something we can do about this.
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Posted 2009-November-30, 09:39

hatchett, on Dec 1 2009, 12:03 AM, said:

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We will probably get a heart lead so they will make it.


Since we are on lead there is something we can do about this.

But maybe just about the first part...
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Posted 2009-November-30, 13:04

Jlall, on Nov 30 2009, 11:30 AM, said:

umm...pass?

My partner DBLed. He is around the same age as you and I thought it could be related to that. ;)
He argued that if I have ♦A then it will likely be down and probably -2.
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Posted 2009-November-30, 13:20

kgr, on Nov 30 2009, 02:04 PM, said:

Jlall, on Nov 30 2009, 11:30 AM, said:

umm...pass?

My partner DBLed. He is around the same age as you and I thought it could be related to that. ;)
He argued that if I have ♦A then it will likely be down and probably -2.

You have to pass here even if you think they are down since double shows values, it's not strict penalty and partner may not pass it. Will you feel happy if he pulls to 5♦?
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Posted 2009-November-30, 17:02

Scoring: IMP

This was the full hand and the bidding:
1♦-(1♠)-DBL-(3♦)
Pass-(4♠)-DBL...
 
....You see that the DBL was good....
But I wasn't good enough to pass it :)
           - (pass)
5♣-All pass
 
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Posted 2009-November-30, 17:22

You mean you were good enough to not pass it.
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Posted 2009-November-30, 17:24

jdonn, on Dec 1 2009, 01:22 AM, said:

You mean you were good enough to not pass it.

I was kind of encouraged by your previous post to try to be ironic. :) ..

jdonn said:

it's not strict penalty and partner may not pass it. Will you feel happy if he pulls to 5♦?

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