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A Tale of Two Suiters Which would you open?

Poll: I would open 1H with (51 member(s) have cast votes)

I would open 1H with

  1. A not B (1 votes [1.96%])

    Percentage of vote: 1.96%

  2. B not A (6 votes [11.76%])

    Percentage of vote: 11.76%

  3. A and B (3 votes [5.88%])

    Percentage of vote: 5.88%

  4. Not A Not B (25 votes [49.02%])

    Percentage of vote: 49.02%

  5. None of the Above (16 votes [31.37%])

    Percentage of vote: 31.37%

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#1 User is offline   jonottawa 

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Posted 2009-November-28, 21:01

Hand A All Red 1st Seat

♠9 ♥QJ974 ♦3 ♣KQT873

Hand B All White 2nd Seat

♠9 ♥AK987 ♦J97532 ♣J

Again, if you would open, but you think most experts wouldn't, that would be good to know.
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Posted 2009-November-28, 23:02

What can my 2H structure handle? Wild 2-suiters? No, start 1H on both.
These hands explode in tricks with a fit in either suit.
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Posted 2009-November-28, 23:49

Hand (A) is an aceless 8-count. I don't want to open it at all, so I would pass. If I did want to open it, the fact that starting with 1♥ (my shorter suit) further distorts the hand would be a negative factor.
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Posted 2009-November-28, 23:52

What is left for the "None of the above" vote. AM I missing something that 3 voters saw...
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Posted 2009-November-29, 04:39

None, not close.
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Posted 2009-November-29, 04:50

Vs competent opposition I open the first 3♣.

I hate to pass, but on #2 I see no alternative,
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Posted 2009-November-29, 05:02

First one has too much ODR to pass, second one I am happier to pass
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Posted 2009-November-29, 05:17

I pass on both. Some hands just aren't suitable for any other action.
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Posted 2009-November-29, 11:13

peachy, on Nov 29 2009, 05:52 AM, said:

What is left for the "None of the above" vote. AM I missing something that 3 voters saw...

I put that option instead of Pie (I often include a Pie option to give idiots an opportunity to express themselves without ruining my poll.) However, it's possible that some have used it to try to indicate that they would open one or both hands, just not 1♥.

Funny, I thought I was a bit old-fashioned in my criteria for opening hands, but I still opened one of these.
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Posted 2009-November-29, 18:16

Do they both qualify for a 1S psych? One has an AK for DT so is close.
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Posted 2009-November-30, 21:25

jonottawa, on Nov 28 2009, 10:01 PM, said:

Hand A All Red 1st Seat ♠9 ♥QJ974 ♦3 ♣KQT873
Hand B All White 2nd Seat ♠9 ♥AK987 ♦J97532 ♣J
Again, if you would open, but you think most experts wouldn't, that would be good to know.
I suppose that experts wouldn't open, but I confess that I'd open both. I much prefer 1♣ to 1♥ on [A] because that is the stronger suit and the suit I would prefer partner to lead. On [B] however, I would settle for 1♥, downgrading the poor ♦ suit.
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Posted 2009-November-30, 22:14

jonottawa, on Nov 28 2009, 10:01 PM, said:

Hand A All Red 1st Seat

♠9 ♥QJ974 ♦3 ♣KQT873

Hand B All White 2nd Seat

♠9 ♥AK987 ♦J97532 ♣J

Again, if you would open, but you think most experts wouldn't, that would be good to know.



NO


I open at the one level with 8 but with 10 cards in my long suits, 2 aces and a void for starters....


ATxx....AT9xxx...void.....xxx
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Posted 2009-December-01, 01:32

Wow definitely pass both, hands like these are way easier to describe by coming in over the opponents. If you open and it's a misfit you just screw yourself.
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