[gwnn]

xxxx
Axx
Axx
Kxx

1♥-p-2♥-x
3♥-?

if vul/scoring matters please specify in what manner does it affect your decision.

[bill1157]

pass wtp bid 3♠ too dangerous.
Bill

[manudude03]

3♠ for me, closer to 4♠ than pass.

[the hog]

bill1157, on Nov 27 2009, 08:26 AM, said:

pass wtp bid 3♠ too dangerous.
Bill

PASS????
Totally obvious 3S and even slightly tempted to venture 4.

[Jlall]

I don't like problems where no vulnerability or form of scoring is given, you are basically asking us 8 different bidding problems this way. I think I would bid game via 4H vul at imps, and bid 3S white at MP.

red/red at matchpoints I'm really tempted to double them, and think I would, but it would depend on the opps and partner's style (I could see myself bidding 3S sometimes). FWIW I think double is penalty and not cards.

red/white at MP I would bid 3S usually, maybe 4H depending on partner's style.

White/red at imps I would bid 3S.

w/w at imps I guess I'd bid 4H but could see myself bidding 3S depending on partner's style.

[aguahombre]

What is double here? If a variation of MOD inviting game in spades, I would do it. If penalty, per Justin, or mushy responsive, then what the heck....4S at all vuls.

[P_Marlowe]

Pass, clear cut.

Depends of course, how serious you are playing OBAR actions,
for us, the X is a prebal. action, i.e. 3S now is the same as raising
a bal. action, ..., a good way to stop p from making prebal.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[Trinidad]

This ranges from a penalty double at pairs against vulnerable opps to 3♠ or 4♠ at IMPs. This is actually a very nice example of how much influence the form of scoring and vulnerability can have on your decision.

Rik

[the hog]

P_Marlowe, on Nov 27 2009, 05:34 PM, said:

Pass, clear cut.

Depends of course, how serious you are playing OBAR actions,
for us, the X is a prebal. action, i.e. 3S now is the same as raising
a bal. action, ..., a good way to stop p from making prebal.

With kind regards
Marlowe

So when partner holds:

AKxx
x
Qxxx
QJxx

the opponents get to pay in 3H. This ides not look like an optimum method to me. Please don't say thae above hand would x again, because it simply isn't good enough.

[aguahombre]

yep. OBAR strikes fear in center opponent, Mr. Hog seems correct in his analysis.

[pirate22]

step up to the PLATE bid 3 sp regards

[aguahombre]

pirate22, on Dec 2 2009, 10:04 AM, said:

step up to the PLATE bid 3 sp regards

So, my 4S is stepping up too close to the plate without a helmet?

[pooltuna]

bill1157, on Nov 26 2009, 08:26 PM, said:

pass wtp bid 3♠ too dangerous.
Bill

not as dangerous as pass unless miraculously you expect protection

[suokko]

Is double here for penalties?

If not then it could be good bid showing doubt about what is the contract. I don't realy like the idea that I have to ruff ♥ to partners hand where the good trumps are. 4-1♠ might be disaster for ♠ contract. Partner might even have 3-1-(45) or 3-2-4-4 shape quite often when biding 3NT looks wining action.

Of course in MP you want to hit them for one or two down and they are a lot more likely not to hold their bid than in IMPs. So meaning of double could change depending on scoring.

[DWM]

with "THE LAW" in mind I think 3♠ is a clear bid. They have 9/10 hearts and we have 8 spades. Also Partner should have a opening hand or just below so we should have the balanace of points, or at worst 20/20.

Over 4♥ I think double rather than 4♠, trusting opositions first bids suggests to me that game would be low percentage, also if we have game they are more than likley to be at least 2 down.

[whereagles]

Opposite me, a discrete 2♠ is probably plenty. Opposite someone else, 3♠

[aguahombre]

nothing discreet about an insufficient bid.

[whereagles]

Oh sorry. You're right. Didn't see opener's raise. 3♠ then, in all scenarios lol.

[gnasher]

I'd make a responsive double at all forms of scoring and all vulnerabilities. The thought of driving game when we might not even have a fit makes me ill.

[aguahombre]

gnasher, on Dec 3 2009, 05:11 AM, said:

I'd make a responsive double at all forms of scoring and all vulnerabilities. The thought of driving game when we might not even have a fit makes me ill.

I thought a resp double denied 4 of the focus major. Honestly asking if I am wrong about that.