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Pass or 2H? Matchpoints

#1 User is offline   mohitz 

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Posted 2009-November-24, 04:35

Playing match-points,

1♣ - (p) - 1♥ - (p)
1♠ - (p) - 1NT - (p)
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Q1: Would you rather bid 2♥ instead of 1♠?

Assuming you bid 1♠ earlier,

Q2: Does a 2♥ bid now promise extras?
Q3: If it does not promise extras, do you pass 1NT or try 2♥?

EDIT: You are playing 2/1 with a pickup partner.

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This post has been edited by mohitz: 2009-November-24, 04:37

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Posted 2009-November-24, 04:43

2♥ shows extra's which is why you need to play T-Walsh to bid this hand adequately. Now you have to pass.
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Posted 2009-November-24, 05:05

2♣
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Posted 2009-November-24, 05:24

1. 2 ♥ shows extras.
2. It depends a little on your system. If 1 ♥ and later 1 NT denied as much as 4 diamonds, then I would bid 2 Club. If my 1 Spade bid confirms an unbalanced hand allready, I would pass. If I always raise 2 Heart with this kind of hand, I would obviously have done so.

Without any agreements, I will try to relax while being dummy in 1 NT.
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Posted 2009-November-24, 09:58

1. I would rather 2♥.
2. Yes it shows extras.
3. Definitely 2♥.
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Posted 2009-November-24, 10:29

I'm fine with the 1♠ rebid. I would bid 2♥ now if it didn't show extras (which I have sometimes agreed in the past) but otherwise pass. It's not like pass couldn't be right anyway.
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Posted 2009-November-25, 14:49

If I have to pass 1N in this situation I prefer raising to 2H to begin with. That being said I prefer for 2H in this auction not to show extras, but few people seem to agree with me.
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Posted 2009-November-25, 15:06

I play that 2♥ now shows extras. If not, then how do you handle that your range is so wide? I guess it's just a tradeoff for not having to rebid 2♥ as I do with this hand type, saving the "round-the-horn" bidding to show a K extra.
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Posted 2009-November-25, 15:12

Echognome, on Nov 25 2009, 04:06 PM, said:

I play that 2♥ now shows extras. If not, then how do you handle that your range is so wide? I guess it's just a tradeoff for not having to rebid 2♥ as I do with this hand type, saving the "round-the-horn" bidding to show a K extra.

Artificial 2♦ showing a 2♥ bid with extras. 4135 with extras you bid 2NT. 4045 with extras you either open 1♦ or bid 2NT (gross but whatever).
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Posted 2009-November-26, 00:30

jdonn, on Nov 26 2009, 02:42 AM, said:

Artificial 2♦ showing a 2♥ bid with extras. 4135 with extras you bid 2NT. 4045 with extras you either open 1♦ or bid 2NT (gross but whatever).

I like this. Passing 1N also lets them balance in diamonds cheaply.

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Posted 2009-November-26, 00:42

jdonn, on Nov 25 2009, 04:12 PM, said:

Echognome, on Nov 25 2009, 04:06 PM, said:

I play that 2♥ now shows extras.  If not, then how do you handle that your range is so wide?  I guess it's just a tradeoff for not having to rebid 2♥ as I do with this hand type, saving the "round-the-horn" bidding to show a K extra.

Artificial 2♦ showing a 2♥ bid with extras. 4135 with extras you bid 2NT. 4045 with extras you either open 1♦ or bid 2NT (gross but whatever).

I remember when awm posted this idea on the forums.

Anyways I do not play that, I just play that 2H has a wide range of 11-15 and you go from there. If you have 16-17 bid 3H.
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Posted 2009-November-26, 01:25

I would have raised to 2H straight away. 2H now certainly promises extras for most people including myself.
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Posted 2009-November-26, 01:32

Jlall, on Nov 26 2009, 01:42 AM, said:

jdonn, on Nov 25 2009, 04:12 PM, said:

Echognome, on Nov 25 2009, 04:06 PM, said:

I play that 2♥ now shows extras.  If not, then how do you handle that your range is so wide?  I guess it's just a tradeoff for not having to rebid 2♥ as I do with this hand type, saving the "round-the-horn" bidding to show a K extra.

Artificial 2♦ showing a 2♥ bid with extras. 4135 with extras you bid 2NT. 4045 with extras you either open 1♦ or bid 2NT (gross but whatever).

I remember when awm posted this idea on the forums.

Anyways I do not play that, I just play that 2H has a wide range of 11-15 and you go from there. If you have 16-17 bid 3H.

Yes it's my alltime favorite AWM idea. 2♦ instead of 2♣ as the drury bid is logical too, at least for spades.
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Posted 2009-November-26, 08:02

Codo, on Nov 24 2009, 12:24 PM, said:

2. It depends a little on your system. If 1 ♥ and later 1 NT denied as much as 4 diamonds, then I would bid 2 Club.

It can't deny four diamonds. He could easily have 5-4 in the reds no matter what system we play (OK as long as we play a system I have heard about). Even 5-5 reds unless we have some exotic gadget to show such a hand.
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Posted 2009-November-27, 03:45

Q1 A matter of agreement, and given the suit quality of the spades,
1S and 2H are both reasonable

Q2 Yes, 2H now should show add. strength

Q3 If it does not promise add. strength, 2H is fine., and I would bid it.

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