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Posted 2009-November-23, 12:22

Awhile back I read an interesting thread on the forum that discussed using the 3nt opener for something other than a gambling 3nt.

I liked the suggestions in that thread but I cannot remember what they were. i also cannot find the thread after a number of attempts to do a search for it.

Can anyone help me either by pointing out the thread or by indicating what other "better" uses for the 3nt opener might be. Thanks.
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Posted 2009-November-23, 12:31

believe it or not, some people play it as a big balanced hand. How mundane.
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Broken 8 card minor, nothing outside.
Long Major variant to namyats.
Big Michaels hand.

the preceeding is not an endorsement.
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Posted 2009-November-23, 12:54

What's legal and what's not legal depends, of course, on where you are. In the ACBL, the last two of Aqua's suggestions are not legal on the General Convention Chart, and may not be legal (it's unclear) on the MidChart.
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Posted 2009-November-23, 12:58

ok .. you helped me recall.

I believe I want to start playing it as a hand that wants to open 4 diamonds or 4 clubs but cannot as my partnerships play namyats..

Thanks!
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Posted 2009-November-23, 13:03

movingon, on Nov 23 2009, 01:58 PM, said:

ok .. you helped me recall.

I believe I want to start playing it as a hand that wants to open 4 diamonds or 4 clubs but cannot as my partnerships play namyats..

Thanks!

That works as well as anything, IMO.
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Posted 2009-November-23, 13:05

kenrexford, on Nov 23 2009, 02:03 PM, said:

movingon, on Nov 23 2009, 01:58 PM, said:

ok  ..  you helped me recall.

I believe I want to start playing it as a hand that wants to open 4 diamonds or 4 clubs but cannot as my partnerships play namyats..

Thanks!

That works as well as anything, IMO.

Gwnn could probably find multiple threads on this, but (if legal in your jurisdiction, which would not be in GCC events in the ACBL) it works much better to reverse the procedure and open 3NT with the major hands and your minor with the minor hands.
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Posted 2009-November-23, 13:18

I've seen someone suggest using 3NT as a specific Ace ask.
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Posted 2009-November-23, 13:21

That would be GCC legal, provided it shows "strength" (whatever that means).
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Posted 2009-November-23, 14:14

blackshoe, on Nov 23 2009, 12:21 PM, said:

That would be GCC legal, provided it shows "strength" (whatever that means).

Not an argument, just curiosity: blackshoe, my #3 would have 8 to 81/2 tricks if I played it, which I don't. Is that not strength, as defined?
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Posted 2009-November-23, 14:17

Yeah, what is this "strength" thing anyway?

Does strength of conviction count?
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Posted 2009-November-23, 14:19

kenrexford, on Nov 23 2009, 01:17 PM, said:

Yeah, what is this "strength" thing anyway?

Does strength of conviction count?

strength of the rope--after conviction.
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