[kfay]

Scoring: IMP

P-(1♦)-1NT-(2♥)
?

1♦ is 2+, 15- HCP

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[ONEferBRID]

You can invite if you think your 8 hcp and J-5th of Sp are worth it.
2NT! ( Leb) >> forcing 3C, then 3S.

[hanp]

3H: 5+ spades, at least invitational. Will bid 3NT next.

[andy_h]

Agree with han.

[Phil]

I will invite in spades.

Its hard to say if this hand wants to declare or not with the lack of tenaces, but in general I prefer the strong hand on lead in situations like this. There's a strong chance RHO doesn't have the ♥A so this particular hand I will be glad I am not playing transfer lebensohl or a variant.

[jdonn]

Am I just a wimp today? I would sooner sign off than GF.

[aguahombre]

ONEferBRID, on Nov 19 2009, 08:49 AM, said:

You can invite if you think your 8 hcp and J-5th of Sp are worth it.
2NT! ( Leb) >> forcing 3C, then 3S.

agree with the method, but would need to hold an invite with six spades or a better five card suit, IMHO.
Think I will dog it with 2S. Phil's rightsiding point seems right, but we have had success with underbidding when everyone is in the auction before a fit is known.

[hanp]

jdonn, on Nov 19 2009, 11:26 AM, said:

Am I just a wimp today? I would sooner sign off than GF.

Really? My partners don't overcall 1NT on just any 15-count, so I am more aggressive over a 1NT overcall than after a 1NT opening. It looks like both of my kings are well placed and I expect partner to be able to play the hand almost double dummy. I should at least invite, and if partner doesn't have spade support I have no reason to think 3S plays better than 3NT. If partner does have spade support I'm happy to be in game.

[whereagles]

force game. Shd be easy to count hands, so..

besides, if 1♦ is the nebulous one, 2♥ might have been bid on jack 6th and out...

[jdonn]

hanp, on Nov 19 2009, 01:15 PM, said:

jdonn, on Nov 19 2009, 11:26 AM, said:

Am I just a wimp today? I would sooner sign off than GF.

Really? My partners don't overcall 1NT on just any 15-count, so I am more aggressive over a 1NT overcall than after a 1NT opening. It looks like both of my kings are well placed and I expect partner to be able to play the hand almost double dummy. I should at least invite, and if partner doesn't have spade support I have no reason to think 3S plays better than 3NT. If partner does have spade support I'm happy to be in game.

Well clearly this spotless balanced hand with two random stray jacks and a bad main suit is a very bad 8 count. Anyway if I can invite I will, but if I can't I will certainly sign off. In fact this strikes me as the type of hand that can have 26 points but no game.

Also, in what way is the diamond king well placed?

[pooltuna]

kfay, on Nov 19 2009, 10:34 AM, said:

Scoring: IMP

P-(1♦)-1NT-(2♥)
?

1♦ is 2+, 15- HCP

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Well looks like the choices are X,2♠, 3♠. looks like my game chances are a tad anti%age so that makes X my preference of course I play it sanely as PENALTY (if you want insurance on success go to Lloyd's of London). 2♠ is the call for those who suffer from ulcers. 3♠ is your best shot for those who think they want to try for game.

[pooltuna]

jdonn, on Nov 19 2009, 01:46 PM, said:

hanp, on Nov 19 2009, 01:15 PM, said:

jdonn, on Nov 19 2009, 11:26 AM, said:

Am I just a wimp today? I would sooner sign off than GF.

Really? My partners don't overcall 1NT on just any 15-count, so I am more aggressive over a 1NT overcall than after a 1NT opening. It looks like both of my kings are well placed and I expect partner to be able to play the hand almost double dummy. I should at least invite, and if partner doesn't have spade support I have no reason to think 3S plays better than 3NT. If partner does have spade support I'm happy to be in game.

Well clearly this spotless balanced hand with two random stray jacks and a bad main suit is a very bad 8 count. Anyway if I can invite I will, but if I can't I will certainly sign off. In fact this strikes me as the type of hand that can have 26 points but no game.

Also, in what way is the diamond king well placed?

Well when my partner overcalls 1NT I really, really think they have a ♦ stopper and given that I am ready to play 2♥X the ♦K was my opening lead

[aguahombre]

jdonn, on Nov 19 2009, 11:46 AM, said:

In fact this strikes me as the type of hand that can have 26 points but no game.

Agree, but you would invite if one were available? maybe he will accept an invite with more than 18 With a max and no spade fit, game probably won't be a happy thing. So, an invite showing spades only works if he has spade help whether mini or max

[jdonn]

Fantastic, I even think the diamond king is a fine lead against 2♥X. But that does nothing to answer the question "in what way is the diamond king well placed".

[pooltuna]

jdonn, on Nov 19 2009, 02:00 PM, said:

Fantastic, I even think the diamond king is a fine lead against 2♥X. But that does nothing to answer the question "in what way is the diamond king well placed".

It ain't sitting in front of the AQ like a dead duck...i.e. it's not worthless

[jdonn]

pooltuna, on Nov 19 2009, 02:12 PM, said:

jdonn, on Nov 19 2009, 02:00 PM, said:

Fantastic, I even think the diamond king is a fine lead against 2♥X. But that does nothing to answer the question "in what way is the diamond king well placed".

It ain't sitting in front of the AQ like a dead duck...i.e. it's not worthless

Again not answering the question! "Is the diamond king worthless/valuable?" and "is the diamond king well placed?" are different issues. I'll try to word it differently.

In what way is the diamond king worth more in our hand than if it were in partner's hand?

That is what "well placed" means.

[hanp]

Maybe I used a bad word, but I think they are good kings. Partner has diamond values and the heart king is behind the heart bidder.

[Phil]

hanp, on Nov 19 2009, 01:15 PM, said:

jdonn, on Nov 19 2009, 11:26 AM, said:

Am I just a wimp today? I would sooner sign off than GF.

Really? My partners don't overcall 1NT on just any 15-count, so I am more aggressive over a 1NT overcall than after a 1NT opening. It looks like both of my kings are well placed and I expect partner to be able to play the hand almost double dummy. I should at least invite, and if partner doesn't have spade support I have no reason to think 3S plays better than 3NT. If partner does have spade support I'm happy to be in game.

And what hand are you worried about missing game on if partner can't bid it? What exactly does an invite look like to you here?

[hanp]

How about 10x Q109 AQJx AQ10x? I'd much prefer 3NT over 3S.

[pooltuna]

hanp, on Nov 19 2009, 03:04 PM, said:

Maybe I used a bad word, but I think they are good kings. Partner has diamond values and the heart king is behind the heart bidder.

agreed and since Josh is hooked into sematics on the issue it is not "well placed" per se but the significance of "well placed" has been substantially reduced or eliminated in relevance. And it could serve as an entry to our hand in a spade contract