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finesse or drop?

Poll: what would you do? (18 member(s) have cast votes)

what would you do?

  1. finesse (17 votes [94.44%])

    Percentage of vote: 94.44%

  2. play for the drop (1 votes [5.56%])

    Percentage of vote: 5.56%

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Posted 2009-November-16, 13:34

The auction went (opps silent):
1 - 3 (nat ; 4+, either 6-9 any or 9-11 with shortness)
3 - 4 (min no interest opposite 6-9 ; 6-4 pretty offensive)
pass

LHO leads 6

Scoring: IMP


You play low and RHO takes the K. He now plays K followed by Q (LHO playing high-low, std carding) and continues with a (LHO playing 4 with a gesture like his partner should've played something else). You take A and play Q, RHO playing the 8.

Finesse or try for the drop?
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Posted 2009-November-16, 13:57

Finesse. If lefty had the K, he wouldn't care much what was returned at trick 4.
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Posted 2009-November-16, 15:51

opponents already made a gross mistake (overtake and cash your ace!), so it is hard to get any info from their previous plays.

So lets just go to the perentage play.
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Posted 2009-November-16, 16:45

Between finesse and "looking for new partner" I think I'll go with finesse every time. Unless of course I hate my partner. Or something.

Didn't matter if he played in an annoyed fashion or in tempo... declarer and LHO both know who has the A of clubs. I'm kind of confused as to why this is here unless declarer finessed to a stiff K then tried to call the director and claimed flying A was an option but LHO's attitude misled him. I can't imagine any semi competent director giving that any credence though.
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Posted 2009-November-16, 18:26

I don't see the point here. West has the club Ace, made a silly mistake by not overtaking the second spade, and his pard duly played him for the only reasonable chance he had : playing the opening leader for a Diamond ruff.

Why should West now also hold the stiff K ?
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Posted 2009-November-16, 19:08

Why are we considering playing for the drop?
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Posted 2009-November-16, 19:17

jdonn, on Nov 16 2009, 08:08 PM, said:

Why are we considering playing for the drop?

Because it is very weird not to cover with Kx.

Anyways I wouldn't go for the drop.
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Posted 2009-November-16, 19:21

Also, am I the only one thinking RHO might have AKQ of spades? If LHO had the ace he could have overtaken and cashed the CA. Sure LHO high lowed but he was probably just giving count or trying to encourage spades to say "don't give me a diamond ruff"

If RHO has AKQ of spades and the DK that would be one more thing pointing towards RHO not having the HK (lots of points to pass 3H).

AKQxx xxx Kxx Jx with RHO and xxxx K xx ATxxxx with LHO seems possible. But then LHO would probably have led a spade. And RHO wouldn't try to give his partner a ruff if he knew partner had a stiff D.

There is also the point that RHO played the H8, assuming he is not a very good player given his defense thus far he probably wouldn't find a falsecard from 8xx.

Most likely he just didnt cover or he played the 8 from K8x.
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Posted 2009-November-17, 01:51

I was thinking along the lines of Justin, who has A? It's clear that LHO has A, otherwise there's no reason for theatre.

RHO actually found the falsecard from 8xx, and was surprised I didn't play for the drop after tanking a few minutes. Apparently it's not as clear as he thought it was :)

4-2, same at the other table, but there they didn't get the opportunity to make.
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