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BALANCE!!!

Poll: what to do (33 member(s) have cast votes)

what to do

  1. Pass (20 votes [60.61%])

    Percentage of vote: 60.61%

  2. Double (12 votes [36.36%])

    Percentage of vote: 36.36%

  3. 3D (1 votes [3.03%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.03%

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#1 User is offline   manudude03 

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Posted 2009-November-12, 19:01

Sitting East

Scoring: IMP

can't remember the spots, sorry (there were a few high spots)

(2♠)-P-(P)-??

Weak opps

edit: just remembered I had the ♥T too (if it matters)
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Posted 2009-November-12, 19:03

X, I'm going for it.
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Posted 2009-November-12, 19:11

Pass, sorry partner!

Anyway often dummy has some 13/14 count with a doubleton spade, and 2♠ maybe makes, maybe doesn't, so I don't expect to miss a huge number by passing.
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Posted 2009-November-12, 19:21

Pass. wtp?
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Posted 2009-November-12, 19:27

I saw Joe Grue double 4♥ P P on a hand like this with the majors reversed. And it gave up 690 not vul. I'll pass here.
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Posted 2009-November-12, 19:41

Opps are not that weak, most pairs at our club are weaker IMHO. OK for BBF standards they are weak of course.
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Posted 2009-November-13, 03:11

hee hee next thing we know wayne is gonna post abt 'weak p weak opps but this is the only clubin town :(' or something (:
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Posted 2009-November-13, 07:35

gwnn, on Nov 13 2009, 09:11 AM, said:

hee hee next thing we know wayne is gonna post abt 'weak p weak opps but this is the only clubin town :(' or something (:

well, it is the only club in town, but I wouldn't call Helene weak (may I just add that she's a lot better than she thinks she is). If I ever post something like that, it's going to be a Monday when I mentor (maybe torture is a better word :) ) beginners.
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Posted 2009-November-13, 15:24

I'd pass
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Posted 2009-November-14, 00:32

:unsure: El Paso. Remember, pard has ♠ and did not bid 2NT. This limits him to 15HCP max, and no really long suit to boot. You got how many HCP - 40 in the deck? Is this apparent misfit your hand?
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Posted 2009-November-17, 04:18

Thanks for the replies.

I doubled and caught partner (Helene) with ATxx AQxxx x Qxx (I think- please correct me if I'm wrong). We ended in 4H making while at the other table, 2S got passed out (and made) for +12 imps.
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Posted 2009-November-17, 11:20

manudude03, on Nov 17 2009, 05:18 AM, said:

Thanks for the replies.

I doubled and caught partner (Helene) with ATxx AQxxx x Qxx (I think- please correct me if I'm wrong). We ended in 4H making while at the other table, 2S got passed out (and made) for +12 imps.

Nice. However, result from one hand does not justify doubling here, IMO. I estimate that much of the time a Dbl would give a bad score one way or another.
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Posted 2009-November-17, 15:37

dbl wtp?
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Posted 2009-November-17, 15:54

I'm void in spades and still thinking about balancing? Maybe not quite WTP, but can't beleive the passes. Note that I would NOT x with majors reversed and a 2♥ opening. The difference being that partner doesn't have a cheap overcall in the other major over 2♠.
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Posted 2009-November-18, 03:42

TylerE, on Nov 18 2009, 06:54 AM, said:

I'm void in spades and still thinking about balancing? Maybe not quite WTP, but can't beleive the passes. Note that I would NOT x with majors reversed and a 2♥ opening. The difference being that partner doesn't have a cheap overcall in the other major over 2♠.

Your void makes it much more likely that partner has 4+ spades. So you have three possible scenarios:

1. You play 2 Spade X. Sorry, but with one defensive trick in my hand this rates to be no success.

2. You find partner with a not too good fitting hand and play in 3 of something in a 4-4 fit. Is this better then to defend two spade? It could be. Or it could be -500.

3. You find the miracolous 4522 hand which somehow managed to reach game opposite your well fitting 8 count. This time you win a zillion imps.

I guess there is a reason why the majority does not like to double with this hand.
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Posted 2009-November-18, 07:31

That's a rather pessimistic view isn't it? I expect partner to actually listen to the auction and know that I'm in passout seat. He should not sit for this X with a crappy 10 count and Hxxx of ♠. If you're seriously calling this hand an 8 count you're vastly underrating it.
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Posted 2009-November-18, 07:38

The remark that opps are weak may be relevant. They would pass partner's 2♠ opening on hands on which advanced players would bid 3♠. So it's not like p is marked with five spades.
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Posted 2009-November-18, 08:41

TylerE, on Nov 18 2009, 08:31 AM, said:

TIf you're seriously calling this hand an 8 count you're vastly underrating it.

In fact I was calling it a seven count.

The point about doubling is that it is very likely to end the auction. I was (mistakenly, I now see) thinking that a void in trumps is not worth a full 5 points.
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Posted 2009-November-18, 09:23

655321 passed, why are people still discussing this hand?
and the result can be plotted on a graph.
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Posted 2009-November-18, 09:39

yes many years from now it will be easy to find this thread since you just put in 655321 +pass -"is ridiculous" or something along these lines.
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